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		<title>By: karen</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-44893</link>
		<dc:creator>karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think any parent(who opts out for whatever reason to vaccinate their child) whose infectious child infects another child who may be too young to be vaccinated, or has a documented reason for not being vaccinated (medical, immune copormised)and would have been vaccinated, gets infected, the parent should take legal action against the anti-vaxer.  The anti-vaxer needs to be held responsible.  In the case of the infants in teh hospital in SanDiego in 2008, who wer infected by the anti-vaxer&#039;s kid, who knew there child had measles, those parents had huge medical bills, and a harmed child.  Why should the rights of the anit-vaxer be anymore important than the parent who wants to vaccinate, but is waiting for the opportunity.  Some parents use the exemption laws becasue they are lazy not becasue they really have convicitons, it is just a way to avoid taking responsibility.  maybe law suits would weed these folks out, and all would be held culpable for harm done to children and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think any parent(who opts out for whatever reason to vaccinate their child) whose infectious child infects another child who may be too young to be vaccinated, or has a documented reason for not being vaccinated (medical, immune copormised)and would have been vaccinated, gets infected, the parent should take legal action against the anti-vaxer.  The anti-vaxer needs to be held responsible.  In the case of the infants in teh hospital in SanDiego in 2008, who wer infected by the anti-vaxer&#8217;s kid, who knew there child had measles, those parents had huge medical bills, and a harmed child.  Why should the rights of the anit-vaxer be anymore important than the parent who wants to vaccinate, but is waiting for the opportunity.  Some parents use the exemption laws becasue they are lazy not becasue they really have convicitons, it is just a way to avoid taking responsibility.  maybe law suits would weed these folks out, and all would be held culpable for harm done to children and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Do No Harm</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-26334</link>
		<dc:creator>Do No Harm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the graph shows that death rates declined prior to mass vaccination.  However, you only partially interpreted the data.  The data you show reveal a decrease in death from 1,000 children per million to almost zero following mass vaccination.  That means that 1,000 less children will die from these diseases.  Are you suggesting that it would be better not to vaccinate and to instead have those 1,000 kids die every year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the graph shows that death rates declined prior to mass vaccination.  However, you only partially interpreted the data.  The data you show reveal a decrease in death from 1,000 children per million to almost zero following mass vaccination.  That means that 1,000 less children will die from these diseases.  Are you suggesting that it would be better not to vaccinate and to instead have those 1,000 kids die every year?</p>
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		<title>By: Do No Harm</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-26333</link>
		<dc:creator>Do No Harm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tm, pharmaceutical companies make very little profit on vaccines.  They would most likely stop producing them were it not mandated by the federal government.  To what side effects of vaccination are you referring?  The side effects of *not* vaccinating include death from epiglottitis, death from the flu, and paralysis and death from polio.  In fact, if your child is not vaccinated, you are putting the health of all of the children with whom your child interacts in danger.  There are children who cannot receive mandatory vaccinations because their immune systems do not function properly.  If one of those children dies from a vaccine-preventable disease carried by your child (I personally know of at least one person who has) you should be charged with negligent homicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tm, pharmaceutical companies make very little profit on vaccines.  They would most likely stop producing them were it not mandated by the federal government.  To what side effects of vaccination are you referring?  The side effects of *not* vaccinating include death from epiglottitis, death from the flu, and paralysis and death from polio.  In fact, if your child is not vaccinated, you are putting the health of all of the children with whom your child interacts in danger.  There are children who cannot receive mandatory vaccinations because their immune systems do not function properly.  If one of those children dies from a vaccine-preventable disease carried by your child (I personally know of at least one person who has) you should be charged with negligent homicide.</p>
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		<title>By: Pk</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-22509</link>
		<dc:creator>Pk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephanie, if you lived, like I do, with the daily fall out from a lack of vaccine, watching what these childhood diseases could do to a body, you&#039;d think far differently. 
Some day my husband will die from the complications of polio he had as a child .. his muscles were destroyed, he looks like a hallocaust victim (note, I said victim, not survivor) because he&#039;d have been 6&#039;4 had he not had poliom, that frame is now crooked and twisted into a 5&#039;4&#039;&#039; on one foot and 5&#039;0&#039;&#039; on the other ...and weighs all of 98 lbs. 
Some day, his lungs may fail, or an organ rupture because the scoliosis twists him so badly ... his spinal cord is being pushed out of his neck. 

There is NO way to describe the ravages of polio ... 
A cousin is deaf because of the measles. Another cousin was unable to have children because of mumps. 
While many of my generation did recieve vaccines,it was the early stages and many suffered dramatically ... it is not something todays&#039; society is familiar with ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephanie, if you lived, like I do, with the daily fall out from a lack of vaccine, watching what these childhood diseases could do to a body, you&#8217;d think far differently.<br />
Some day my husband will die from the complications of polio he had as a child .. his muscles were destroyed, he looks like a hallocaust victim (note, I said victim, not survivor) because he&#8217;d have been 6&#8217;4 had he not had poliom, that frame is now crooked and twisted into a 5&#8217;4&#8221; on one foot and 5&#8217;0&#8221; on the other &#8230;and weighs all of 98 lbs.<br />
Some day, his lungs may fail, or an organ rupture because the scoliosis twists him so badly &#8230; his spinal cord is being pushed out of his neck. </p>
<p>There is NO way to describe the ravages of polio &#8230;<br />
A cousin is deaf because of the measles. Another cousin was unable to have children because of mumps.<br />
While many of my generation did recieve vaccines,it was the early stages and many suffered dramatically &#8230; it is not something todays&#8217; society is familiar with &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-22500</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had done research you would see that there is evidence supporting both sides. I have done the research and I am not going to vaccinate my child. I have seen the difference in my child and in other children in my family. And my daughter is brighter, *cough*HEALTHIER*cough*. My daughter has not been sick one time since she has been born! The other children in my family have been....many times. Facts show that the decrease of these diseases had dramatically dropped BEFORE vaccines due to better hygiene (http://www.whale.to/v/obosawin1_files/table1.gif) !!! !!!!! 

&quot;Polio Vaccine that was given to over 98 million people in the 50s and 60s, was contaminated with the Simian (monkey) Virus # 40. This SV40 destroys all of the cells defenses against cancer&quot; 
- Spice Williams-Crosby, M.S.NU, MFS, CFT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had done research you would see that there is evidence supporting both sides. I have done the research and I am not going to vaccinate my child. I have seen the difference in my child and in other children in my family. And my daughter is brighter, *cough*HEALTHIER*cough*. My daughter has not been sick one time since she has been born! The other children in my family have been&#8230;.many times. Facts show that the decrease of these diseases had dramatically dropped BEFORE vaccines due to better hygiene (<a href="http://www.whale.to/v/obosawin1_files/table1.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.whale.to/v/obosawin1_files/table1.gif</a>) !!! !!!!! </p>
<p>&#8220;Polio Vaccine that was given to over 98 million people in the 50s and 60s, was contaminated with the Simian (monkey) Virus # 40. This SV40 destroys all of the cells defenses against cancer&#8221;<br />
- Spice Williams-Crosby, M.S.NU, MFS, CFT</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Sampson</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-6714</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Sampson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tm, many of us are accusing parents who do not vaccinate of negligence because we *did* &quot;get information and do research.&quot; To anybody who looks at this from an unbiased, scientific point of view, the evidence is thoroughly on the side of vaccinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tm, many of us are accusing parents who do not vaccinate of negligence because we *did* &#8220;get information and do research.&#8221; To anybody who looks at this from an unbiased, scientific point of view, the evidence is thoroughly on the side of vaccinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Should parents who refuse to vaccinate their children be held accountable? &#124; Telecom News</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-6562</link>
		<dc:creator>Should parents who refuse to vaccinate their children be held accountable? &#124; Telecom News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (via Dr. Val) take a stand against parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.   WhiteCoat asks, &#8220;Should parents who fail to take steps to prevent a largely preventable illness be held [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (via Dr. Val) take a stand against parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.   WhiteCoat asks, &#8220;Should parents who fail to take steps to prevent a largely preventable illness be held [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TDB</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-6559</link>
		<dc:creator>TDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a similar situation in my home state when I was in high school (a kid flew into the state w/ measels) and they ended up revaccinating all the students in the urban areas where people were likely to be exposed. The state paid for it so it did not cost the parents.  I know there was a form you had to take home to get your parents to fill out for permission, but since I was 15 I did not care. They did the same thing for Hep A &amp; B. It costs the state (not a poor state though), but I think more parents were willing to let their children get the vaccinations because it did not cost them than they would have otherwise. I felt sorry for the nurses and such administering the shots though, 1200+ shots a day at some of those schools...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a similar situation in my home state when I was in high school (a kid flew into the state w/ measels) and they ended up revaccinating all the students in the urban areas where people were likely to be exposed. The state paid for it so it did not cost the parents.  I know there was a form you had to take home to get your parents to fill out for permission, but since I was 15 I did not care. They did the same thing for Hep A &amp; B. It costs the state (not a poor state though), but I think more parents were willing to let their children get the vaccinations because it did not cost them than they would have otherwise. I felt sorry for the nurses and such administering the shots though, 1200+ shots a day at some of those schools&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tm</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-6557</link>
		<dc:creator>Tm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should get information and do research before accusing parents who do not vaccinate of negligence.  What about the children who die from receiving vaccines or the ones that get the disease in spite of being vaccinated???  Parents who question vaccination are not idiots they have their childs best interest at heart.  the pharmacutical companies do not have your best interest at heart.  They just care about getting their money and selling more and more vaccines.  they do not care if a few children die because of the side effects.  If its was one of their kids im sure it would be a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should get information and do research before accusing parents who do not vaccinate of negligence.  What about the children who die from receiving vaccines or the ones that get the disease in spite of being vaccinated???  Parents who question vaccination are not idiots they have their childs best interest at heart.  the pharmacutical companies do not have your best interest at heart.  They just care about getting their money and selling more and more vaccines.  they do not care if a few children die because of the side effects.  If its was one of their kids im sure it would be a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurse K</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/01/death-by-unvaccination/#comment-6542</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The laws are different when there is an immediate risk of death.  The state can intervene when this occurs and appoint a neutral someone to act in the child&#039;s best interest if necessary.  If the child dies due to medical neglect, that would be manslaughter in all likelihood.  

With vaccination, the parent is really playing roulette with preventable illnesses, but there is still little chance of the child getting any of the illnesses due to herd immunity vs. a very real risk of death with something like bacterial meningitis.  Bacterial meningitis may kill you fast enough and have a high enough success rate of killing you even WITH appropriate treatment where it wouldn&#039;t even be manslaughter, however.  Usually these manslaughter charges are brought against people who let their child die of type I diabetes or something like that which is more insidious where treatment prevents death nearly 100% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The laws are different when there is an immediate risk of death.  The state can intervene when this occurs and appoint a neutral someone to act in the child&#8217;s best interest if necessary.  If the child dies due to medical neglect, that would be manslaughter in all likelihood.  </p>
<p>With vaccination, the parent is really playing roulette with preventable illnesses, but there is still little chance of the child getting any of the illnesses due to herd immunity vs. a very real risk of death with something like bacterial meningitis.  Bacterial meningitis may kill you fast enough and have a high enough success rate of killing you even WITH appropriate treatment where it wouldn&#8217;t even be manslaughter, however.  Usually these manslaughter charges are brought against people who let their child die of type I diabetes or something like that which is more insidious where treatment prevents death nearly 100% of the time.</p>
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