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		<title>By: No emergencies &#8212; just emergency physicians, MedCity Weekend Rounds June 19, 2009 : MedCity News</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9164</link>
		<dc:creator>No emergencies &#8212; just emergency physicians, MedCity Weekend Rounds June 19, 2009 : MedCity News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Call Room &#8212; the author of which is going through his own malpractice lawsuit &#8212; has picked up and run with the discussion we started over whether emergency physicians deserve the civil immunity [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9158</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is a serious and growing shortage of ER docs, as well as ERs nationwide. &quot;

How many are there supposed to be?  

&quot; Defensive medicine is variously estimated to cost the US $200 billion to $700 billion.&quot;

If you have an estimate that wide, your number doesn&#039;t mean much.

&quot;Every normal person expects trial lawyers to argue eloquently and persistently against tort reform, just as buggy whip manufacturers argued against the advent of the automobile. This is probably the main reason why more people do not take you seriously.&quot;

Perhaps.  But no one takes it seriously until it&#039;s them who is injured by someone else&#039;s negligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a serious and growing shortage of ER docs, as well as ERs nationwide. &#8221;</p>
<p>How many are there supposed to be?  </p>
<p>&#8221; Defensive medicine is variously estimated to cost the US $200 billion to $700 billion.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you have an estimate that wide, your number doesn&#8217;t mean much.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every normal person expects trial lawyers to argue eloquently and persistently against tort reform, just as buggy whip manufacturers argued against the advent of the automobile. This is probably the main reason why more people do not take you seriously.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps.  But no one takes it seriously until it&#8217;s them who is injured by someone else&#8217;s negligence.</p>
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		<title>By: thales</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9150</link>
		<dc:creator>thales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt;

&quot;I’m curious as to why we would want a policy insulating ER docs from their negligence, even gross negligence? Are there some statistics out there showing that Ohio has some problem this will solve?&quot;

You are curiously adept at missing the point. There is a serious and growing shortage of ER docs, as well as ERs nationwide. Defensive medicine is variously estimated to cost the US $200 billion to $700 billion. 

Every normal person expects trial lawyers to argue eloquently and persistently against tort reform, just as buggy whip manufacturers argued against the advent of the automobile. This is probably the main reason why more people do not take you seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt;</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m curious as to why we would want a policy insulating ER docs from their negligence, even gross negligence? Are there some statistics out there showing that Ohio has some problem this will solve?&#8221;</p>
<p>You are curiously adept at missing the point. There is a serious and growing shortage of ER docs, as well as ERs nationwide. Defensive medicine is variously estimated to cost the US $200 billion to $700 billion. </p>
<p>Every normal person expects trial lawyers to argue eloquently and persistently against tort reform, just as buggy whip manufacturers argued against the advent of the automobile. This is probably the main reason why more people do not take you seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Reducing Liability on EMTALA care &#171; WhiteCoat&#8217;s Call Room</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reducing Liability on EMTALA care &#171; WhiteCoat&#8217;s Call Room</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9075</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious as to why we would want a policy insulating ER docs from their negligence, even gross negligence?  Are there some statistics out there showing that Ohio has some problem this will solve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious as to why we would want a policy insulating ER docs from their negligence, even gross negligence?  Are there some statistics out there showing that Ohio has some problem this will solve?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9073</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Max&#039;s point, the goal of the legislation is to protect any doctors working in EDs that are in compliance with EMTALA (essentially all hospitals EDs). There is some confusion about this and there will likely be revisions in the bill (there was a second hearing to hear testimony scheduled this week).

We just published a longer story: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medcitynews.com/index.php/2009/06/emergency-doctors-nationwide-finding-protection-from-ers-gone-wild/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Emergency doctors nationwide finding protection from ERs gone wild&lt;/a&gt;. Ohio is the latest state to tackle the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Max&#8217;s point, the goal of the legislation is to protect any doctors working in EDs that are in compliance with EMTALA (essentially all hospitals EDs). There is some confusion about this and there will likely be revisions in the bill (there was a second hearing to hear testimony scheduled this week).</p>
<p>We just published a longer story: <a href="http://www.medcitynews.com/index.php/2009/06/emergency-doctors-nationwide-finding-protection-from-ers-gone-wild/" rel="nofollow">Emergency doctors nationwide finding protection from ERs gone wild</a>. Ohio is the latest state to tackle the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9070</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Updated. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9069</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worked when I linked it, but now appears to be dead. Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worked when I linked it, but now appears to be dead. Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Kennerly</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9068</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Kennerly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ohio article didn&#039;t give any details, so I followed the link, which has a proposed bill only for emergency physicians: http://bit.ly/vUWFe

There&#039;s a lot of issues raised by it, but let me highlight one. One portion says &quot;... a physician who provides emergency medical services ...  in compliance with the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, ... is not liable in damages to any person in a tort action for injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly arises from an act or omission of the physician in the physician&#039;s provision of those services or that treatment or care if that act or omission does not constitute willful or wanton misconduct.&quot;

That&#039;s an interesting one. So are they only protected while they do the &quot;screening &amp; stabilization&quot; required under EMTALA? If so, then this &quot;immunity&quot; gets sliced up by a lot of the case law out there limited EMTALA&#039;s reach. 

Take your &quot;Trial of a WhiteCoat&quot; patient: his problem, and the alleged malpractice, occurred once he was already in the ER, and apparently after a basic screening had been done and had found no emergency condition. At that point, EMTALA stopped applying; I&#039;d argue the immunity did, too.

I don&#039;t know what the drafters of the bill are getting at, but, as worded, I&#039;d say they&#039;ve just handed a couple million dollars in extra billing to insurance defense lawyers, and have subtracted from plaintiffs&#039; lawyers (and judges!) thousands of hours trying to interpret federal case law on EMTALA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ohio article didn&#8217;t give any details, so I followed the link, which has a proposed bill only for emergency physicians: <a href="http://bit.ly/vUWFe" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/vUWFe</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of issues raised by it, but let me highlight one. One portion says &#8220;&#8230; a physician who provides emergency medical services &#8230;  in compliance with the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, &#8230; is not liable in damages to any person in a tort action for injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly arises from an act or omission of the physician in the physician&#8217;s provision of those services or that treatment or care if that act or omission does not constitute willful or wanton misconduct.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting one. So are they only protected while they do the &#8220;screening &amp; stabilization&#8221; required under EMTALA? If so, then this &#8220;immunity&#8221; gets sliced up by a lot of the case law out there limited EMTALA&#8217;s reach. </p>
<p>Take your &#8220;Trial of a WhiteCoat&#8221; patient: his problem, and the alleged malpractice, occurred once he was already in the ER, and apparently after a basic screening had been done and had found no emergency condition. At that point, EMTALA stopped applying; I&#8217;d argue the immunity did, too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the drafters of the bill are getting at, but, as worded, I&#8217;d say they&#8217;ve just handed a couple million dollars in extra billing to insurance defense lawyers, and have subtracted from plaintiffs&#8217; lawyers (and judges!) thousands of hours trying to interpret federal case law on EMTALA.</p>
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		<title>By: BK</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/06/healthcare-policy-update-june-16-2009/#comment-9063</link>
		<dc:creator>BK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the anderson cooper link is broken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the anderson cooper link is broken</p>
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