John Edwards admitted an affair with Rielle Hunter, but denied making a baby.
Now, afterdenying it for months, he has officially accepted the title of LoveChild BabyDaddy.
I don’t suppose that the DNA testing had anything to do with it.
Personally, I could have told you John Edwards was the father of Rielle Hunter’s baby a long time ago. You see, in the same way that dead babies could channel their speech through John Edwards at trial (you have to read the article to understand the rest of this post), live babies can channel their thoughts through me on my blog.
I feel it.
Yes … she speaks to you all through me.
And I have to tell you right now – I didn’t plan to talk about this – right now I feel her.
I feel her presence.
She’s inside me, and she’s talking to you.
Back when she was close to being born,
She said at 3, `John Edwards is my daddy.’
She said at 4, `I’m having a little trouble ’cause John Edwards is my daddy, but he’s denying it – but I’m doing O.K.’
Five, she said, `Hey daddy, where you going? Why you giving mommy’s company all that money and then leaving us? And who’s that other lady you’re with … she’s your wife?’
At 5:30, she said, `Stinking lawyers – you’re all alike.’
Baby that Edwards channeled probably isn’t capable of that kind of thought you’re channeling WC. Being starved of oxygen like that tends to inhibit your cognitive abilities. Too bad. I bet it would have something witty to say too. It might really appreciate a joke arising from its family tragedy.
Haha.
Ahhhhh … another strawman argument.
If you re-read the post, you’ll see that I said nothing about the merits of the case. I only commented on the suspect technique Mr. Edwards used for his closing arguments.
However, you did raise an interesting concept.
Apparently the only legally acceptable form of “channeling” fetal thoughts is from plaintiff attorneys to jurors when advancing suspect arguments to try to earn multimillion dollar verdicts.
Any other form of channeling fetal thoughts is just silly, right?
It is reprehensible that you would justify a fellow attorney having an affair when his wife was suffering from breast cancer, having a child out of wedlock, and then denying paternity so he wouldn’t have to pay child support.
No comment was made about his paternity case. Read closer. As to the legality of this or that closing it’s pretty open on both sides. Never said otherwise. There was nothing suspect about the theory of the case.
Like I said, if it’s funny to you to mock the cases of families with CP kids, go ahead. We all think different things are humorous.
Kind of sucks having to respond to straw man arguments, doesn’t it?
I thought he paid her a bunch of money through another lawyer.
Not that it makes up for the whole “adultery” and “denying paternity” problems, but I don’t think there was a “child support” issue.
The “point” is that all of the scientific evidence to date argue against birth injuries causing cp in the vast majority ofcases. Thoserare cases of cp that may be associated with birth injuries cannot be differentiated from the others. A real solution would be to help all these unfortunates (vaccine injury program) without destroying individual ob’s reputations….but thatwould make sense and was something Edwards was against due to his cashflow
You may be right with regard to the vast majority. This case was unfortunately one of the minority. Your claim that they cannot be differentiated is unsupported. Until someone makes a cp injury program law, the family still has to file suit. That’s not Edwards’ fault nor is there any evidence he ever opposed such a bill. Nor is this family’s tragedy, for which they had to get an attorney to pay the millions in economic damages because a negligent physician and his insurer wouldn’t pay, particularly funny. you’re WC, I guess.
That’s just wrong.
Google “ACOG” and “cerebral palsy.” It’ll show you exactly what kind of birth injury ACOG themselves — no friend to plaintiffs — believes causes CP.
I’d love to see a cite for Edwards opposing a “vaccine injury program” model for birth injury cases. I’ve never seen anyone propose that, much less Edwards comment on it specifically.
Edwards single handedly forced an increase in the C-section rate of North Carolina. C-sections cause an increase in the rate of asthma attacks and severe diarrhea in infancy requiring hospitalization. These babies should be able to sue Edwards and the biased judges that allowed his false lawsuits to prevail. These vile lawyers should be boycotted and forced to leave the state. The evil done by his highly paid experts is unforgivable. These false experts should be condemned and expelled from their professional societies.
The biased judges favored him falsely. So did Fate. It killed his innocent son in a car crash. It gave his innocent wife cancer. Fate should have done both to this sickening land pirate.
This “C-section -> asthma & diarrhea” argument was baloney when you first made it and still is.
Max,
John Edwards is the poster boy for what’s wrong with America’s malpractice system. Phil Howard’s Medical Courts seem similar to your Vaccine Courts proposition.
Actually, Howard’s proposal is a big, jumbled and expensive mess that wouldn’t help anything. I blogged on it a while ago; you can see that post by the link in my name. It bears little resemblance to the vaccine program (which is actually quite good and which, tellingly, few tort reformers want to adopt for medmal, because they don’t want a fair system).
Back to the point, no one has proposed that for ‘birth injury’ cases specifically, as was suggested.
Asthma risk is double to age 8.
Thorax. 2009 Feb;64(2):107-13. Epub 2008 Dec 3.Click here to read Links
Asthma at 8 years of age in children born by caesarean section.
Roduit C, Scholtens S, de Jongste JC, Wijga AH, Gerritsen J, Postma DS, Brunekreef B, Hoekstra MO, Aalberse R, Smit HA.
Centre for Prevention and Health Services Research, National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Bilthoven, The Netherlands.
BACKGROUND: Caesarean section might be a risk factor for asthma because of delayed microbial colonisation, but the association remains controversial. A study was undertaken to investigate prospectively whether children born by caesarean section are more at risk of having asthma in childhood and sensitisation at the age of 8 years, taking into account the allergic status of the parents. METHODS: 2917 children who participated in a birth cohort study were followed for 8 years. The definition of asthma included wheeze, dyspnoea and prescription of inhaled steroids. In a subgroup (n = 1454), serum IgE antibodies for inhalant and food allergens were measured at 8 years. RESULTS: In the total study population, 12.4% (n = 362) of the children had asthma at the age of 8 years. Caesarean section, with a total prevalence of 8.5%, was associated with an increased risk of asthma (OR 1.79; 95% CI 1.27 to 2.51). This association was stronger among predisposed children (with two allergic parents: OR 2.91; 95% CI 1.20 to 7.05; with only one: OR 1.86; 95% CI 1.12 to 3.09) than in children with non-allergic parents (OR 1.36; 95% CI 0.77 to 2.42). The association between caesarean section and sensitisation at the age of 8 years was significant only in children of non-allergic parents (OR 2.14; 95% CI 1.16 to 3.98). CONCLUSIONS: Children born by caesarean section have a higher risk of asthma than those born by vaginal delivery, particularly children of allergic parents. Caesarean section increases the risk for sensitisation to common allergens in children with non-allergic parents only.
And then diarrhea and allergies. Vaginal delivery colonizes the baby’s gut with maternal bacteria. C-section babies’s guts are colonized with hospital, Commie Care bacteria. Gross.
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-news/Babies-Born-By-C–section-At-A-Greater-Risk-for-Allergies-3013-1/
“Baby that Edwards channeled probably isn’t capable of that kind of thought you’re channeling WC. ”
Yet somehow it was able to read sophisticated monitoring devices outside the womb…please don’t even try to defend Edwards, he’s a special type of scum.
WC – can’t you just ban Matt. He is obviously a troll and adds little (if anything) to any discussion.
Maybe if you tell him all the degrees you have he will be more inclined to listen to you. I know I was.
I don’t care if a lawyer trolls a blog. I do care that the lawyer profession is a horrible, damaging, plundering troll to the entire nation.
I want to draft the Constitutional Amendment excluding the lawyer from all benches, all legislative seats, and all responsible policy positions in the Executive Branch. Because the land pirate hierarchy controls 99% of the decisions of the three branches of government, that Amendment could achieve little. Only a strong executive, sending the Federal marshals to arrest them all, to give them a fair trial for an hour, and then executing the lot, can save this nation from the internal traitor. The lawyer hierarchy has about 15,000 people, and all should be executed for insurrection against the Constitution.
fyrdoc,
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Look CJD, I am not going to do your research for you. The research is readily available in the scientific literature and has been discussed in AAP/ACOG guidelines. Do you know how to use pubmed? Try some critical thinking instead of being a troll for once.
Ps: not wc, but do continue with the conspiracy theories.
And in all the literature there is nothing that says malpractice cannot cause CP. Is it rare? Of course. But for all we know lawsuits involving CP are even rarer. Unless you’re contending the literature says it can never happens I would suggest you engage in a little critical thinking yourself.
In conclusion, you can’t research the subject. Thanks for the input troll. Now think about it. Ob’s get sued for something that is rarely associated (if it all and the evidence is not clear) and association cannot be determined using any analysis. Everybody reading this blog but you will realize how screwed up that is.
Nor can you, Anon. “Association cannot be determined using any analysis?” Seriously? Are you an idiot or a liar?
Here’s ACOG’s own report:
http://www.acog.org/from_home/Misc/neonatalEncephalopathy.cfm
The criteria to define an acute intrapartum event sufficient to cause cerebral palsy, as modified by this Task Force from the template provided by the International Cerebral Palsy Task Force, are listed as follows:*
Essential criteria (must meet all four)
1. Evidence of a metabolic acidosis in fetal umbilical cord arterial blood obtained at delivery (pH <7 and base deficit =12 mmol/L)
2. Early onset of severe or moderate neonatal encephalopathy in infants born at 34 or more weeks of gestation
3. Cerebral palsy of the spastic quadriplegic or dyskinetic type†
4. Exclusion of other identifiable etiologies such as trauma, coagulation disorders, infectious conditions, or genetic disorders
and how does that prove the doctor caused it………………………….?
Max: the baby lives on the oxygen tension on a jet flight, namely outside the airplane, at 30,000 feet. It has a diving reflex. The brain will constrict the blood supply and destroy all the other organs of the body before allowing itself to get deprived of oxygen.
The parents of children with chronic conditions should understand the $millions stolen by the land pirates at the point of a gun held by a judge all come from the care of their children. They have the moral and intellectual justification to protect the care of their children by taking out the entire land pirate racket. To deter. Plaintiff land pirates defunding the clinical care of other children should be stopped to live, as they threaten the survival of other sick children, to fund their lavish luxury lifestyles.
Sure, Supremacy Claus, why don’t you tell all that to ACOG? They apparently don’t understand, as you do, that low SpO2 levels in the womb render fetuses invulnerable to any insult.
dirk: Don’t play dumb. “Causation” is proven by showing a harm that would not have occurred but for a breach in the standard of care, typically a failure to recognize the compromised state of the fetus and take action. Once you show the conditions for the birth injury existed, it’s not too hard a logical leap to show that, had the fetus been removed from those conditions and
born, they would not have suffered the injury.
Really, it’s not too hard to understand how a fetus in a compromised state gets injured and would not have been injured if they had been delivered promptly instead.
and there is the legal fiction……..that all cases can go well…. that the doctor can prevent all bad…..and diagnose things that always can’t be diagnosed…. that is why we have the costliest, most wasteful, least helpful medical malpractice systems in the world
“Ob’s get sued for something that is rarely associated (if it all and the evidence is not clear) and association cannot be determined using any analysis.”
If it’s impossible, then I think that physicians should move to sanction and have the licenses pulled of every person who ever testified for a plaintiff in one of these cases. Let the medical boards take a close look at the records and decide. If they agree with the plaintiff, will that shut you up?
Regardless of whether the baby Edwards’ “channeled” was or wasn’t harmed by what happened during deliver, the fact that he pulled the “channeling” stunt is reprehensible, and laughable in a very ghoulish way. He deserves to be mocked for it, and if it swayed the jury towards a their verdict, shame on them. It’s a stunt of someone who doesn’t want the actual evidence evaluated closely…
Now if you want some real Edwards schadenfreude (and I do, I have zero sympathy for Edwards), check out Mickey Kaus: http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/08/13/edwards-love-child-mandatory-gloating-edition.aspx
He’s probably the only democrat who had Edwards nailed long ago…
I believe what he was saying (and correct me if I’m wrong) was that the strips were telling a story about what was going on with the child. Simply because you don’t care for the argument doesn’t make it incorrect or specious. He’ll, the experts in the case may have said the same thing. Of course, you guys know all about the case because you read the evidence, right?
I read his scandalous, sickening book, Four Cases. He is a pirate who should be stopped.
Fetal monitoring has not decreased the incidence of cerebral palsy. What it has done is increase the rate of interventions.
doc99: Well, duh. CP due to birth injury is a small fraction of CP overall.
For those who would have had birth injuries (or worse injuries) but for fetal monitoring and/or emergency c-sections, it’s made a huge difference.
HOLY SHIFT! LOOK AT THE ASYMPTOTE ON THAT MOTHERFUNCTION!
Wow, channeling fetal thoughts?!
Are you f’king kidding me? This was even allowed in a court?
You mean in an actual court with human beings???
WoW, just wow…thank god I don’t have to endure such a judicial joke system in my country.
Our judges not only would laugh at them but throw this silly bugger of the court immediately.
Haha! You scumbag John Edwards. Your sleeze is made manifest to the public. Hopefully your disgrace will be complemented by a federal indictment.
God, what an awful profession. They never acutually do anything, just tear down and criticize and.limit what others try to accomplish. No matter how you try to justify it, that must slowly rot your soul over time. No wonder they hate doctors.
Mark: The rule of law is an essential utility product, like electricity and water. Turn it off, you have Fallujah. You are doing your own personal security full time, and getting nothing else done.
Imagine the electricity on for two hours a day, in the rich areas, unpredictably, with surges destroying the appliances. Imagine the electricity on for two minutes a day in the poor areas. That is the competence and adequacy level of the lawyer today. The lawyer is in utter failure for every single self-stated goal of every law subject. I want to remove the current incompetent, but self dealing hierarchy, and replace it with people who embrace modernity.
Interesting take. One, I don’t hate doctors, although I do hate the way they and their insurers try and screw over the injured.
However, as far as limiting what others try to accomplish, that’s strange. In the last month I’ve helped a mother get her ex’s visitation supervised since he wouldn’t quit drinking around the kids, helped two small business clients collect old balances owed them, and helped a contractor form a contract to sell a house he’d been trying to get out from under before the bank foreclosed.
But, I guess it’s true. I didn’t actually do anything. Preventing two kids from being in a wreck because dad was drunk, or burning the house down because he was passed out was limiting what dad was trying to accomplish. And I was just tearing down the foundation of the people who were trying to build something beautiful with the products and services they’d taken from my clients without paying. And I have limited a bank’s opportunity to foreclose.
I don’t know how I live with myself.
“Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser — in fees, expenses, and waste of time. As a peacemaker the lawyer has a superior opportunity of being a good man. There will still be business enough.”
Abraham Lincoln
Doc: Mr “Please Do Not Sue Your Neighbor” refused the option to solve the slavery problem peacefully. He caused a war that killed 600,000 people. One of the worst Presidents in history. Worse than lawyer
Roosevelt who allowed an attack on our nation.
The lawyer has been an utter catastrophe to our lawyer besieged nation. I want to write the Constitutional Amendment that excludes all lawyers from all benches, all legislative seats, all responsible policy positions in the Executive. Their first allegiance is to the criminal cult enterprise that is their profession. They are internal traitors who have managed to take total control of the three branches of our government. I would like to write other lawyer control statutes that enable the arrest of their entire hierarchy. After an hour’s fair trial, they would all be executed in the basement of the courthouse. To deter. These would be allowed to tweet their trials in real time without lawyer intimidation as was done with another doctor.
Oh, Edwards back in the news? I thought he had already acknowledged paternity and paid up. Oh, well.
LOL @ Edwards. I could see that guy was a greasy scumbag from a mile away.
Matt and Max,
It is painfully evident that you have never examined fetal monitoring strips in real time. They are essentially useless squiggles that change when mom moves or coughs or whatever. The false positive rate exceeds 99% and there is considerable evidence that babies who are monitored do absolutely no better than babies who are not monitored. In the vast vast majority of cases there is no way to tell if a baby is actually in distress. Even if you were to determine that the baby was distressed, you have to get an OR, find nurses, call anesthesia to put the mom under anesthesia, and perform the operation. That all takes time. If the baby is not getting oxygen it may very well be too late anyways.
So there is no way for an OB to really know if baby is distressed, and there is considerable evidence that most cerebral palsy is ideopathic. It takes a few minutes for hypoxia to damage the brain (if hypoxia is even the cause of cerebral palsy), and promtly detecting a few minutes distress and performing major surgery in a few minutes time is impossible. This is why monitoring makes no difference in outcome. All the current malpractice system does is damage doctors lives and increase the cesarian rate. C-section causes increased maternal morbidity and mortality and increases the risk of fetal asthma and diarrhea. The current harrassment of OBs by lawyers is an embarrassment to the law profession and kills mothers (death rate is 3x higher than vaginal) each year, leaves mothers with scars and hernias, and hurts the babies.
Now lawyers engaging in such embarrassing tactics as channelling dead babies, is just that much more embarrassing.
It would be much better if funds were available to all children with cerebral palsy, rather than the handful who win the lottery.
I agree. Let me know when doctors back a no-fault proposal for children afflicted with this disease. Or given the real lobbying power behind physicians, their insurers, let me know when they propose it.
If fetal monitoring strips are as useless as you claim, why utilize them?
How old are you max 12? Why don’t you act like an adult and leave the personal insults at the door
anyone here ever tried to find a doctor that would deliver breech? ha! good luck with that. we tried. and failed totally. not a single freaking one in the whole damned state. i printed off and read every single study from every medical journal our library had access to.
bottom line, the woman had a more dangerous delivery because of medmal lawyers.
thanks, dick heads.