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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11600</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am young and unhealthy, and dude, you&#039;re pretty crazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am young and unhealthy, and dude, you&#8217;re pretty crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mass</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11561</link>
		<dc:creator>Mass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I commend WC on taking the time to respond at some length to my earlier set of questions. He dodged a few of my pointed questions but still I appreciate his effort. I think most people (including me) are quite wedded to their viewpoints and will selectively use data and/or anecdotes to support their arguments. I&#039;ll give a last summary of my basic thoughts and let it go at that:

Health care is different from any other service provided. The costs involved are often so astronomical, the lack of transparency in costs are so great and the inefficiency of a medically-ignorant/sick/disoriented/dying patient as a &quot;consumer&quot; are such that the free market works poorly if at all. Other industrialized countries have realized this and offer similar overall care compared with us (in most parameters) at about 50-67% of our cost. Those in the medical field, especially us doctors, want to be left alone by the &quot;bureaucrats&quot; (only government workers are bureaucrats, apparently, not those pencil-pushers in the private sector). But since we are the gateways for almost all costs - we decide what labs are ordered, what prescriptions are written, what patients are admitted and for how long, how often they are seen in clinic, what kind of studies they require -- then there is something seriously wrong with our vaunted independent judgment if health care spending has gone from 8% of GDP in 1980 to 16% last year for minimal improvements in the most important health statistics. 

And that is why the government is stepping in. The US resisted several attempts at national health care -- under Truman, Johnson, Clinton. But we have finally showed that we need some supervision before we bankrupt the country. And finally - WC never answered the questions of how other countries with &quot;socialized medicine&quot; have such steep taxes and yet WE spend much more on health care than they do. Where does that money come from? More importantly, how much longer do we keep paying more and more for negligible improvements in care?  In a few decades time, &quot;socialized medicine&quot; will be seen as unremarkable here as Medicare and Social Security are today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commend WC on taking the time to respond at some length to my earlier set of questions. He dodged a few of my pointed questions but still I appreciate his effort. I think most people (including me) are quite wedded to their viewpoints and will selectively use data and/or anecdotes to support their arguments. I&#8217;ll give a last summary of my basic thoughts and let it go at that:</p>
<p>Health care is different from any other service provided. The costs involved are often so astronomical, the lack of transparency in costs are so great and the inefficiency of a medically-ignorant/sick/disoriented/dying patient as a &#8220;consumer&#8221; are such that the free market works poorly if at all. Other industrialized countries have realized this and offer similar overall care compared with us (in most parameters) at about 50-67% of our cost. Those in the medical field, especially us doctors, want to be left alone by the &#8220;bureaucrats&#8221; (only government workers are bureaucrats, apparently, not those pencil-pushers in the private sector). But since we are the gateways for almost all costs &#8211; we decide what labs are ordered, what prescriptions are written, what patients are admitted and for how long, how often they are seen in clinic, what kind of studies they require &#8212; then there is something seriously wrong with our vaunted independent judgment if health care spending has gone from 8% of GDP in 1980 to 16% last year for minimal improvements in the most important health statistics. </p>
<p>And that is why the government is stepping in. The US resisted several attempts at national health care &#8212; under Truman, Johnson, Clinton. But we have finally showed that we need some supervision before we bankrupt the country. And finally &#8211; WC never answered the questions of how other countries with &#8220;socialized medicine&#8221; have such steep taxes and yet WE spend much more on health care than they do. Where does that money come from? More importantly, how much longer do we keep paying more and more for negligible improvements in care?  In a few decades time, &#8220;socialized medicine&#8221; will be seen as unremarkable here as Medicare and Social Security are today.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Article From a White Coat &#171; Maddmedic</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11547</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Article From a White Coat &#171; Maddmedic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11544</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know that it helps lawyers, but it definitely helps the plaintiff.

How are you thinking it would benefit small business employers?  Most ERISA plans are from larger businesses, in my experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that it helps lawyers, but it definitely helps the plaintiff.</p>
<p>How are you thinking it would benefit small business employers?  Most ERISA plans are from larger businesses, in my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: DefendUSA</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11543</link>
		<dc:creator>DefendUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the moment, I do not have the same choices as I might with a big employer. I am not employed.

So, while I could be playing roulette, that is a personal choice. I DO have the ability to ask my physician to charge me and not the insurance for whatever procedures I consider a necessity vs them, especially if I know it isn&#039;t covered.
If I should be dropped it will hopefully be upon maxing my limit. There is no panacea, what is it that people don&#039;t get? No system is infallible and some are more fallible than others. (UK Britain, HI, even Sweden is screwing people over for all the taxes they pay)

That is the beauty of my current care vs. government control.

Nothing is perfect and I have portability as well on this policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment, I do not have the same choices as I might with a big employer. I am not employed.</p>
<p>So, while I could be playing roulette, that is a personal choice. I DO have the ability to ask my physician to charge me and not the insurance for whatever procedures I consider a necessity vs them, especially if I know it isn&#8217;t covered.<br />
If I should be dropped it will hopefully be upon maxing my limit. There is no panacea, what is it that people don&#8217;t get? No system is infallible and some are more fallible than others. (UK Britain, HI, even Sweden is screwing people over for all the taxes they pay)</p>
<p>That is the beauty of my current care vs. government control.</p>
<p>Nothing is perfect and I have portability as well on this policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc99</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11542</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt and Max ... I&#039;m wondering if removing the deductibility of these benefits might actually benefit small business employers ultimately. I&#039;m quite certain that removing the ERISA shield protecting the healthcare insurers would benefit trial lawyers as well. I&#039;m asking because not being a lawyer, I&#039;m quite naive on these matters and looking for answers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt and Max &#8230; I&#8217;m wondering if removing the deductibility of these benefits might actually benefit small business employers ultimately. I&#8217;m quite certain that removing the ERISA shield protecting the healthcare insurers would benefit trial lawyers as well. I&#8217;m asking because not being a lawyer, I&#8217;m quite naive on these matters and looking for answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Kennerly</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11539</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Kennerly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poorly, not least because I don&#039;t see how a repeal of ERISA would help anything. What do you think employers need to be able to do that ERISA (and/or HIPAA) prevents them from doing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poorly, not least because I don&#8217;t see how a repeal of ERISA would help anything. What do you think employers need to be able to do that ERISA (and/or HIPAA) prevents them from doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Supremacy Claus</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11515</link>
		<dc:creator>Supremacy Claus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But medical care is being made whole, unless you are claiming a market value for missing body parts, pain, etc. So subrogation should apply to all medical expenses settlements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But medical care is being made whole, unless you are claiming a market value for missing body parts, pain, etc. So subrogation should apply to all medical expenses settlements.</p>
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		<title>By: scalpel</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11501</link>
		<dc:creator>scalpel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think chronic medications/supplies or routine office visits should routinely be covered by insurance either. When someone has a chronic disease requiring lifelong medical treatment, the treatment of that disease is no longer something to be insured against...it&#039;s a given! The potential complications of the disease can still be insured against however.

Health insurance needs to be more like other types of insurance in that regard - one insures against the unexpected big ticket items. The known expenses are what you budget for, not what you should hope your coworkers will help you out with. What&#039;s next, grocery insurance for diet coke and cheetos? My fat neighbor would love that. Gasoline insurance? I drive a big gas guzzling muscle car, so my next fill up is on you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think chronic medications/supplies or routine office visits should routinely be covered by insurance either. When someone has a chronic disease requiring lifelong medical treatment, the treatment of that disease is no longer something to be insured against&#8230;it&#8217;s a given! The potential complications of the disease can still be insured against however.</p>
<p>Health insurance needs to be more like other types of insurance in that regard &#8211; one insures against the unexpected big ticket items. The known expenses are what you budget for, not what you should hope your coworkers will help you out with. What&#8217;s next, grocery insurance for diet coke and cheetos? My fat neighbor would love that. Gasoline insurance? I drive a big gas guzzling muscle car, so my next fill up is on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurse K</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2009/08/my-interview-with-mass/#comment-11497</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurse K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re not tracking properly on this issue, Whitecoat.  Please explain why someone like me with excellent group insurance would want that taken away  to be in a private policy that would exclude my pre-existing condition which costs hundreds/month to take care of?  That&#039;s crayzee. I&#039;d at the very least have to sell my house and live in a small apartment to free up enough money to buy my supplies.  Even if my policy is 100% reimbursed, it still won&#039;t cover my ONLY medical problem!  I need my healthy co-workers to help me out in the group policy!

BTW, You&#039;re really not insurable in the private market either, WC!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not tracking properly on this issue, Whitecoat.  Please explain why someone like me with excellent group insurance would want that taken away  to be in a private policy that would exclude my pre-existing condition which costs hundreds/month to take care of?  That&#8217;s crayzee. I&#8217;d at the very least have to sell my house and live in a small apartment to free up enough money to buy my supplies.  Even if my policy is 100% reimbursed, it still won&#8217;t cover my ONLY medical problem!  I need my healthy co-workers to help me out in the group policy!</p>
<p>BTW, You&#8217;re really not insurable in the private market either, WC!</p>
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