Comments on: Why Sadie’s Daughter Almost Became A Patient http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/ A blog from inside the emergency department Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:19:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: hawk http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18212 hawk Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:14:21 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18212 when I was a resident in a big city, which will remain nameless, but think of car manufacturing, i had time to sit on the hospitals risk committee as part of my training. once we had a case where a security guard, who was an off duty cop, fired at and killed a patient relative in the parking lot because the relative had gotten into his car and tried to run down the doctor in the parking lot, then, being unsuccessful, tried to run down the security guards who were trying to apprehend him. Common sense to me indicates this is a good shooting. pat the guard on the back, say job well done, and everything goes on, right? Wrong. the guard was let go, disciplined by the hospital. the family filed a wrongful death suit (which is what i am sure brought on the guards termination). dont know the end result, but this speaks more for how lawyers are ruining america, aided by the entitlement culture that we have fostered when I was a resident in a big city, which will remain nameless, but think of car manufacturing, i had time to sit on the hospitals risk committee as part of my training. once we had a case where a security guard, who was an off duty cop, fired at and killed a patient relative in the parking lot because the relative had gotten into his car and tried to run down the doctor in the parking lot, then, being unsuccessful, tried to run down the security guards who were trying to apprehend him.

Common sense to me indicates this is a good shooting. pat the guard on the back, say job well done, and everything goes on, right?

Wrong. the guard was let go, disciplined by the hospital. the family filed a wrongful death suit (which is what i am sure brought on the guards termination). dont know the end result, but this speaks more for how lawyers are ruining america, aided by the entitlement culture that we have fostered

]]> By: Ryan http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18126 Ryan Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:44:46 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18126 I'm convinced America is trying to identify and surgically remove any and all reasons to find a career in medicine rewarding. I’m convinced America is trying to identify and surgically remove any and all reasons to find a career in medicine rewarding.

]]> By: ThorMD http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18112 ThorMD Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:25:23 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18112 I worked at a place where we had a Hoyer lift and the staff could get most people out with one those. When they wheeled it out to the driveway, a lot of patients miraculously recovered because the thought of being lifted in that sling was just too embarrassing for them. I worked at a place where we had a Hoyer lift and the staff could get most people out with one those. When they wheeled it out to the driveway, a lot of patients miraculously recovered because the thought of being lifted in that sling was just too embarrassing for them.

]]> By: storytellerdoc http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18102 storytellerdoc Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:40:31 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18102 If I were near, I would pat you guys on the back for doing what was best for the patient. Ignore the daughter's chit-chat and know you did the right thing. @Albinoblackbear...we have similar worries as you. Sucks, doesn't it?! When did our society let this happen? If I were near, I would pat you guys on the back for doing what was best for the patient. Ignore the daughter’s chit-chat and know you did the right thing.

@Albinoblackbear…we have similar worries as you. Sucks, doesn’t it?! When did our society let this happen?

]]> By: Mama On A Budget http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18085 Mama On A Budget Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:20:28 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18085 That pisses me off. Not you guys - the daughter. As the daughter of a (former - now passed-on) stroke patient, I could have found myself in the same situation. In fact, there were times where we've needed the help of a security guard to help get her out of a car or pulled back into her wheelchair if I hit a bump or something. The daughter was obviously confused... the correct call to the supervisor should have been, "Thank you." That pisses me off. Not you guys – the daughter.

As the daughter of a (former – now passed-on) stroke patient, I could have found myself in the same situation. In fact, there were times where we’ve needed the help of a security guard to help get her out of a car or pulled back into her wheelchair if I hit a bump or something. The daughter was obviously confused… the correct call to the supervisor should have been, “Thank you.”

]]> By: Painless http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18084 Painless Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:20:00 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18084 So WC.... what was the outcome? Was there actually something acutely going on with her? Was it actually worth the risk of staff injury and the obvious complaint to administration, on top of the likely sounding lawsuit (err... truth seeking expedition that is)for the embarrassment and arm injury? Or was the family just wanting to have a night out unencumbered by having to take care of dear ole' Mom? Please finish the story.. as best you can within HIPPA standards that is. I only ask as we see this ALL THE TIME.. and rarely is it anything in the end - other than ATATPA that is. So WC…. what was the outcome? Was there actually something acutely going on with her? Was it actually worth the risk of staff injury and the obvious complaint to administration, on top of the likely sounding lawsuit (err… truth seeking expedition that is)for the embarrassment and arm injury?
Or was the family just wanting to have a night out unencumbered by having to take care of dear ole’ Mom? Please finish the story.. as best you can within HIPPA standards that is.
I only ask as we see this ALL THE TIME.. and rarely is it anything in the end – other than ATATPA that is.

]]> By: Albinoblackbear http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18066 Albinoblackbear Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:04:34 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18066 When this happens we call 911 and the paramedics come (from across the street where the ambulance bay is) and they extract the patient. We are not covered by WorkSafe if we step outside the hospital so if I herniate a disc pulling someone out of a car then I am SOL. Only once have I actually pulled a guy out of a car and it was because he was in severe resp distress and I knew he was about to crash. Most of the time people like that are only suffering from the aptly termed ATATPA. When this happens we call 911 and the paramedics come (from across the street where the ambulance bay is) and they extract the patient.

We are not covered by WorkSafe if we step outside the hospital so if I herniate a disc pulling someone out of a car then I am SOL.

Only once have I actually pulled a guy out of a car and it was because he was in severe resp distress and I knew he was about to crash.

Most of the time people like that are only suffering from the aptly termed ATATPA.

]]> By: DaveyNC http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18062 DaveyNC Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:07:49 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18062 You'd get more feedback if you were a vet and were tending to a sick dog. I guess the next time she shows up, you could have an engine hoist on hand to lift her out of the car and rotate her giant self over onto a waiting gurney. You’d get more feedback if you were a vet and were tending to a sick dog. I guess the next time she shows up, you could have an engine hoist on hand to lift her out of the car and rotate her giant self over onto a waiting gurney.

]]> By: midwest woman http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18061 midwest woman Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:53:09 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18061 Silly WC, haven't you heard of the jaws of life?? Or dismantling the car piece by piece till you get to Sophie's mom safely? Think, man, think. :) Silly WC, haven’t you heard of the jaws of life?? Or dismantling the car piece by piece till you get to Sophie’s mom safely? Think, man, think. :)

]]> By: Chrysalis http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/03/why-sadies-daughter-almost-became-a-patient/#comment-18054 Chrysalis Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:48:53 +0000 http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/?p=4544#comment-18054 Some thanks for trying to help someone. Some thanks for trying to help someone.

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