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	<title>Comments on: Death Panels and Access to Care</title>
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		<title>By: PippaGrey</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-34092</link>
		<dc:creator>PippaGrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That should have been a reply to the original post, not specifically to maribel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should have been a reply to the original post, not specifically to maribel.</p>
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		<title>By: PippaGrey</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-34089</link>
		<dc:creator>PippaGrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a big difference between me deciding to give the local non-profit hospital a donation of $1000 to help provide care for those who can&#039;t afford it and the Feds or the State taking $2000 of my money and using most of it of it to pay beurocrats to figure out how to avoid spending the rest of it to help people. 

The New Testament tells us to give to others, preferably directly.  It does NOT tell us to give more of our money to the gov&#039;t so it can dole out smaller pittances for the same purpose.

And as a patient and someone who works peripherally with the medical field, I think HIPAA should be done away with.  I haven&#039;t seen it do a thing for me or the docs and nurses I know except create more paperwork and more ways to run afoul of the gov&#039;t.  It certainly hasn&#039;t improved the portability of my health insurance or the quality of my health care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a big difference between me deciding to give the local non-profit hospital a donation of $1000 to help provide care for those who can&#8217;t afford it and the Feds or the State taking $2000 of my money and using most of it of it to pay beurocrats to figure out how to avoid spending the rest of it to help people. </p>
<p>The New Testament tells us to give to others, preferably directly.  It does NOT tell us to give more of our money to the gov&#8217;t so it can dole out smaller pittances for the same purpose.</p>
<p>And as a patient and someone who works peripherally with the medical field, I think HIPAA should be done away with.  I haven&#8217;t seen it do a thing for me or the docs and nurses I know except create more paperwork and more ways to run afoul of the gov&#8217;t.  It certainly hasn&#8217;t improved the portability of my health insurance or the quality of my health care.</p>
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		<title>By: maribel</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-31599</link>
		<dc:creator>maribel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are YOU willing to give all you have to help the poor (like the widow in the New Testament)?  Don&#039;t judge others unless you can pass the test yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are YOU willing to give all you have to help the poor (like the widow in the New Testament)?  Don&#8217;t judge others unless you can pass the test yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: ladyk73</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30716</link>
		<dc:creator>ladyk73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 04:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you know.....Vicodin is pretty cheap...


hmmm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know&#8230;..Vicodin is pretty cheap&#8230;</p>
<p>hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30686</link>
		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, such a sad article.

But, y&#039;know...they *don&#039;t* talk about the burnout case in the next bed over with ten out of ten back pain and he&#039;s allergic to everything but Vicodin.  They don&#039;t talk about the family of twelve who&#039;ve all come in for a checkup and free dental work, and they&#039;re communicating through an eight-year-old girl because she&#039;s the only one who speaks English.  They don&#039;t talk about the doctor who orders an MRI on everyone who walks in the door because he&#039;s trying to dodge a lawsuit.  They don&#039;t talk about the inspector telling you that you need to buy a $10,000 cabinet for every printer because putting the paper in the floor is a trip hazard.

It&#039;s not like we don&#039;t have money in the system to help people.  We just choose to spend it on bureaucracy and frivolousness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, such a sad article.</p>
<p>But, y&#8217;know&#8230;they *don&#8217;t* talk about the burnout case in the next bed over with ten out of ten back pain and he&#8217;s allergic to everything but Vicodin.  They don&#8217;t talk about the family of twelve who&#8217;ve all come in for a checkup and free dental work, and they&#8217;re communicating through an eight-year-old girl because she&#8217;s the only one who speaks English.  They don&#8217;t talk about the doctor who orders an MRI on everyone who walks in the door because he&#8217;s trying to dodge a lawsuit.  They don&#8217;t talk about the inspector telling you that you need to buy a $10,000 cabinet for every printer because putting the paper in the floor is a trip hazard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like we don&#8217;t have money in the system to help people.  We just choose to spend it on bureaucracy and frivolousness.</p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30684</link>
		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;He was wonderful. He told me what all the other offices had told me – NO DOCTOR HAS RECEIVED **ANY** REIMBURSEMENT FROM MEDICAID IN OVER A YEAR in my state.&quot;

So...he can&#039;t just let you pay OOP?  He can&#039;t just work out a &quot;payment plan&quot; (i.e. you pay him twenty bucks and he writes you a script or a test order)?

Maybe the issue here isn&#039;t so much Medicaid not paying, as it is doctors who can&#039;t imagine charging anything but premium prices and being paid by anything but Medicaid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He was wonderful. He told me what all the other offices had told me – NO DOCTOR HAS RECEIVED **ANY** REIMBURSEMENT FROM MEDICAID IN OVER A YEAR in my state.&#8221;</p>
<p>So&#8230;he can&#8217;t just let you pay OOP?  He can&#8217;t just work out a &#8220;payment plan&#8221; (i.e. you pay him twenty bucks and he writes you a script or a test order)?</p>
<p>Maybe the issue here isn&#8217;t so much Medicaid not paying, as it is doctors who can&#8217;t imagine charging anything but premium prices and being paid by anything but Medicaid.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30677</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 21:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sad reality is that health care is like any other product or service in the world.

Even though we would like to pretend it is unlimited.  It is not.

Economics 101 teaches us that we use pricing to control access to scarce economic resources.  The scarcer the item, or the more resources it takes, the more expensive the cost.   

In the days before health insurance, if you couldn&#039;t afford treatment, and couldn&#039;t find someone to give you charity, you went without the treatment.

Insurance and Government programs have upset that paradigm.  Very few patients, or their families, look at or care what the bottom line cost of their treatment is.   &quot;Damn it, I&#039;m sick, and I deserve it no matter the cost&quot;.

Mandatory Insurance Premiums for everyone is a Federal Tax with a new name.  Paid to someone else besides the Government.   Whole new levels of bureaucracies working to make a living for themselves and in most cases, profit for companies.   Supposedly, this will make the system more efficient.    The reality is that we would get more health care dollars if we just raised the medicare tax and put everyone on Medicare from birth.   People who can afford Medicare supplamental insurance could pay for extra coverage.

But remember, the Government is not a source of Charity.   The Government at best is amoral.  Charity is giving of yourself freely.   Charity helps a person become more unselfish.   Taxes extracted by threat of Government Force is never charitible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad reality is that health care is like any other product or service in the world.</p>
<p>Even though we would like to pretend it is unlimited.  It is not.</p>
<p>Economics 101 teaches us that we use pricing to control access to scarce economic resources.  The scarcer the item, or the more resources it takes, the more expensive the cost.   </p>
<p>In the days before health insurance, if you couldn&#8217;t afford treatment, and couldn&#8217;t find someone to give you charity, you went without the treatment.</p>
<p>Insurance and Government programs have upset that paradigm.  Very few patients, or their families, look at or care what the bottom line cost of their treatment is.   &#8220;Damn it, I&#8217;m sick, and I deserve it no matter the cost&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mandatory Insurance Premiums for everyone is a Federal Tax with a new name.  Paid to someone else besides the Government.   Whole new levels of bureaucracies working to make a living for themselves and in most cases, profit for companies.   Supposedly, this will make the system more efficient.    The reality is that we would get more health care dollars if we just raised the medicare tax and put everyone on Medicare from birth.   People who can afford Medicare supplamental insurance could pay for extra coverage.</p>
<p>But remember, the Government is not a source of Charity.   The Government at best is amoral.  Charity is giving of yourself freely.   Charity helps a person become more unselfish.   Taxes extracted by threat of Government Force is never charitible.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah G</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30661</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Giving money to people you like works fine as long as you either have money or belong to a popular demographic. Non-Christians, mixed-race kids, gay people are pretty much out of luck in the Bible Belt (at least my part of it). 

Also, based on reading various medical opinion blogs: good luck getting people to help you treat your lung cancer if you ever smoked, because you deserve to have it. Ditto diabetes if you&#039;re fat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving money to people you like works fine as long as you either have money or belong to a popular demographic. Non-Christians, mixed-race kids, gay people are pretty much out of luck in the Bible Belt (at least my part of it). </p>
<p>Also, based on reading various medical opinion blogs: good luck getting people to help you treat your lung cancer if you ever smoked, because you deserve to have it. Ditto diabetes if you&#8217;re fat.</p>
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		<title>By: ladyk73</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30659</link>
		<dc:creator>ladyk73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with alot of what you say.   I think alot of health care $$$ goes into administrative costs related to 3rd party payers.   (and costs to manage some parts of  hipaa and joint commission requirements (expired q-tips?).  As an example, when Hipaa marched in our clinic had the joy of giving a our EMR company a $10k check to make a small programming change....anyways

How about a system that charges people what they can afford?   Using a sliding fee model to charge people insurance (or direct medical costs) based on their income, subsidized by gov.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with alot of what you say.   I think alot of health care $$$ goes into administrative costs related to 3rd party payers.   (and costs to manage some parts of  hipaa and joint commission requirements (expired q-tips?).  As an example, when Hipaa marched in our clinic had the joy of giving a our EMR company a $10k check to make a small programming change&#8230;.anyways</p>
<p>How about a system that charges people what they can afford?   Using a sliding fee model to charge people insurance (or direct medical costs) based on their income, subsidized by gov.</p>
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		<title>By: ERP</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/death-panels-and-access-to-care/#comment-30654</link>
		<dc:creator>ERP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess they will all move to New Mexico, establish legal residency, and get their transplants. At least until NM does the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess they will all move to New Mexico, establish legal residency, and get their transplants. At least until NM does the same thing.</p>
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