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		<title>By: GasMan</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-41368</link>
		<dc:creator>GasMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm.  Ketamine, huh?  An IV induction agent which causes myocardial depression and sympathetic stimulation...in a patient with an active MI and symptomatic VT.  That is a recipe for (further) disaster.  The best option (from a series of bad options) is to stabilize her from a cardiac standpoint, and give up on the leg.  As a distant 2nd option, I would categorize her as an ASA 4E (one could make a case for 5E, though) and have a frank discussion of the risks of anesthesia (and then document this in detail).  I would offer to proceed to surgery with femoral and sciatic nerve blocks, but cancel the case if the blocks failed or if her clinical condition deteriorates.  IMHO, this is the least lethal option which provides a chance to salvage the limb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Ketamine, huh?  An IV induction agent which causes myocardial depression and sympathetic stimulation&#8230;in a patient with an active MI and symptomatic VT.  That is a recipe for (further) disaster.  The best option (from a series of bad options) is to stabilize her from a cardiac standpoint, and give up on the leg.  As a distant 2nd option, I would categorize her as an ASA 4E (one could make a case for 5E, though) and have a frank discussion of the risks of anesthesia (and then document this in detail).  I would offer to proceed to surgery with femoral and sciatic nerve blocks, but cancel the case if the blocks failed or if her clinical condition deteriorates.  IMHO, this is the least lethal option which provides a chance to salvage the limb.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see a post on emergency room doctors, how much you think they make, how much you think their malpractice insurance, and how the two interplay in your mind.

I agree with the earlier commentator that you have set up a bit of a straw man here. 

I am against health care courts (response to another comment to the post).  But certainly in Maryland, plaintiffs&#039; lawyers would prefer a bench trial in most Maryland counties.  I think the assumption that doctors would do better in front of judges is largely wrong although it admittedly would result in less variation in the verdicts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a post on emergency room doctors, how much you think they make, how much you think their malpractice insurance, and how the two interplay in your mind.</p>
<p>I agree with the earlier commentator that you have set up a bit of a straw man here. </p>
<p>I am against health care courts (response to another comment to the post).  But certainly in Maryland, plaintiffs&#8217; lawyers would prefer a bench trial in most Maryland counties.  I think the assumption that doctors would do better in front of judges is largely wrong although it admittedly would result in less variation in the verdicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31590</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why?  Have I been bravely threatening people via the internet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why?  Have I been bravely threatening people via the internet?</p>
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		<title>By: DensityDuck</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31564</link>
		<dc:creator>DensityDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, now&#039;s the chance for you to post your real name, phone number, and address.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, now&#8217;s the chance for you to post your real name, phone number, and address.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31519</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The V tach was thought to be due to a heart attack since her enzymes were elevated. She wasn&#039;t acidotic and her potassium was 5.0. We treated her for hyperkalemia anyway, expecting the potassium to rise if the surgery was successful. 
Did consider tPA, but CV surgeon did not believe that it would dissolve the clot and giving it would have then ruled out rescue surgery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The V tach was thought to be due to a heart attack since her enzymes were elevated. She wasn&#8217;t acidotic and her potassium was 5.0. We treated her for hyperkalemia anyway, expecting the potassium to rise if the surgery was successful.<br />
Did consider tPA, but CV surgeon did not believe that it would dissolve the clot and giving it would have then ruled out rescue surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31515</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone who thinks a jury trial is about an illusion and drama hasn&#039;t tried many.  Or really thinks the voting public is 100% fools.  Except for the speaker of course.

If it were about that, physicians wouldn&#039;t win the majority of the time, because the patient almost always has a pretty sad story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who thinks a jury trial is about an illusion and drama hasn&#8217;t tried many.  Or really thinks the voting public is 100% fools.  Except for the speaker of course.</p>
<p>If it were about that, physicians wouldn&#8217;t win the majority of the time, because the patient almost always has a pretty sad story.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31509</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In lieu of an actual response, that wasn&#039;t bad.  Not as weak as your usual attempts to avoid direct statements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In lieu of an actual response, that wasn&#8217;t bad.  Not as weak as your usual attempts to avoid direct statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31506</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s absolutely right on with the payment part.  And I&#039;d bet that CT scan wouldn&#039;t be $3000 under his scenario.  Unfortunately, there is almost zero chance of the government intervention into healthcare retreating and this ever becoming reality.  It&#039;s not even clear that the majority of physicians want it.  

As always, the &quot;perfect care or available care&quot; claim is nonsense, as we all know the availability follows the wealth of the community.  It&#039;s the driving factor by a long shot.  

&quot;There also must be a wholesale change in the “death is a preventable event” mentality.&quot;

This is also true, and I would encourage him to take it up with the marketing departments for most providers.  Because that isn&#039;t the message being sent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s absolutely right on with the payment part.  And I&#8217;d bet that CT scan wouldn&#8217;t be $3000 under his scenario.  Unfortunately, there is almost zero chance of the government intervention into healthcare retreating and this ever becoming reality.  It&#8217;s not even clear that the majority of physicians want it.  </p>
<p>As always, the &#8220;perfect care or available care&#8221; claim is nonsense, as we all know the availability follows the wealth of the community.  It&#8217;s the driving factor by a long shot.  </p>
<p>&#8220;There also must be a wholesale change in the “death is a preventable event” mentality.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is also true, and I would encourage him to take it up with the marketing departments for most providers.  Because that isn&#8217;t the message being sent.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31504</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[cough, choke] &lt;em&gt;Trying to escape the maze of smoke and mirrors&lt;/em&gt; [hack hack]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[cough, choke] <em>Trying to escape the maze of smoke and mirrors</em> [hack hack]</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2010/12/inevitable-malpractice/#comment-31502</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There needs to be both a change in the system and a change in the attitudes of the public. 

In order to get physicians and patients to collaborate, patients must have some responsibility for payment of their medical care. A system where every patient wants the best medical care that someone else can pay for is inherently unsustainable. Even if patients are financially responsible for only a percentage of their medical care, patients must have some skin in the game. 
Once that occurs, physicians can help patients choose the most cost-effective approach to treatment, rather than being seen as the entity that bars access to treatment. For example, you want to have a $3000 CT scan of your head for a minor head injury? Fine. You go to the CT suite and plunk down $3000. When the test is normal, you have no one to blame but yourself. However, if you go to a doctor before getting the CT scan, the doctor can advise you that there is less than a 1 in 2000 chance of there being any abnormality on the CT scan. Then, by listening to the doctor, you make an informed decision to forgo the test and save yourself $3000. A win-win situation. 

There also must be a wholesale change in the &quot;death is a preventable event&quot; mentality. Everyone will die. Because we will die does not mean that someone is liable for our death. However, when people die in the midst of medical treatment, the first thing that pops into most people&#039;s minds (&lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;everyone&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; minds, though) is whether or not the medical provider screwed up. This mentality paradoxically reduces the availability of care and goes back to the &quot;perfect care or available care&quot; conundrum that I have previously mentioned. 

I think that most if not all physicians are primarily concerned about a patient&#039;s welfare. However, in a case like the one presented above, when the likelihood of a bad outcome is high, mindsets really do shift to doing right by the patient ... but doing everything possible to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit. That may involve extra testing, multiple consults, and transfer of high-risk patients to tertiary care hospitals so that they can &lt;del datetime=&quot;2010-12-08T18:57:36+00:00&quot;&gt;deal with the liability&lt;/del&gt; provide more comprehensive care to the patients.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be both a change in the system and a change in the attitudes of the public. </p>
<p>In order to get physicians and patients to collaborate, patients must have some responsibility for payment of their medical care. A system where every patient wants the best medical care that someone else can pay for is inherently unsustainable. Even if patients are financially responsible for only a percentage of their medical care, patients must have some skin in the game.<br />
Once that occurs, physicians can help patients choose the most cost-effective approach to treatment, rather than being seen as the entity that bars access to treatment. For example, you want to have a $3000 CT scan of your head for a minor head injury? Fine. You go to the CT suite and plunk down $3000. When the test is normal, you have no one to blame but yourself. However, if you go to a doctor before getting the CT scan, the doctor can advise you that there is less than a 1 in 2000 chance of there being any abnormality on the CT scan. Then, by listening to the doctor, you make an informed decision to forgo the test and save yourself $3000. A win-win situation. </p>
<p>There also must be a wholesale change in the &#8220;death is a preventable event&#8221; mentality. Everyone will die. Because we will die does not mean that someone is liable for our death. However, when people die in the midst of medical treatment, the first thing that pops into most people&#8217;s minds (<strong>not </strong><em>everyone&#8217;s</em> minds, though) is whether or not the medical provider screwed up. This mentality paradoxically reduces the availability of care and goes back to the &#8220;perfect care or available care&#8221; conundrum that I have previously mentioned. </p>
<p>I think that most if not all physicians are primarily concerned about a patient&#8217;s welfare. However, in a case like the one presented above, when the likelihood of a bad outcome is high, mindsets really do shift to doing right by the patient &#8230; but doing everything possible to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit. That may involve extra testing, multiple consults, and transfer of high-risk patients to tertiary care hospitals so that they can <del datetime="2010-12-08T18:57:36+00:00">deal with the liability</del> provide more comprehensive care to the patients.</p>
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