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	<title>Comments on: Free Market Medicine and Lab Tests</title>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52762</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you. 
Most states have consumer fraud statutes. If you have written proof that they would not provide you with a price before the procedure/test, you probably could tell them to take a hike in small claims court.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you.<br />
Most states have consumer fraud statutes. If you have written proof that they would not provide you with a price before the procedure/test, you probably could tell them to take a hike in small claims court.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52757</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When we were without insurance, I also tried to get prices out of my medical system.  They couldn&#039;t tell me outright.  I had to go through layers of people and more than two weeks waiting before someone could give me a price for a lab test.  

That is ridiculous.

And I was able to save a lot of money after that by going through a &quot;patient directed testing&quot; service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we were without insurance, I also tried to get prices out of my medical system.  They couldn&#8217;t tell me outright.  I had to go through layers of people and more than two weeks waiting before someone could give me a price for a lab test.  </p>
<p>That is ridiculous.</p>
<p>And I was able to save a lot of money after that by going through a &#8220;patient directed testing&#8221; service.</p>
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		<title>By: DefendUSA</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52753</link>
		<dc:creator>DefendUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I could find the price of an MRI since I have to pay for it myself. No one seems to have that info. (wink, wink)
I thought one of my kids had a hernia. I called to ask the price for a cash paying patient. It was going to cost me 600 for the surgery...and again, not one anesthesiologist would give a price for his cost.
I wish I could tell them all to take a hike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could find the price of an MRI since I have to pay for it myself. No one seems to have that info. (wink, wink)<br />
I thought one of my kids had a hernia. I called to ask the price for a cash paying patient. It was going to cost me 600 for the surgery&#8230;and again, not one anesthesiologist would give a price for his cost.<br />
I wish I could tell them all to take a hike.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52646</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 19:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this a serious question?  Stores have to pay a fee to credit card companies for every single transaction that is done using plastic.  By encouraging you to use cash, they don&#039;t have to do this fee and they pass the savings on to you.  Buying gas and buying medical care aren&#039;t even in the same league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a serious question?  Stores have to pay a fee to credit card companies for every single transaction that is done using plastic.  By encouraging you to use cash, they don&#8217;t have to do this fee and they pass the savings on to you.  Buying gas and buying medical care aren&#8217;t even in the same league.</p>
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		<title>By: A surgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52637</link>
		<dc:creator>A surgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I am a surgeon and there is no reason to order coags on someone not taking anticoagulants and without a family or personal history of bleeding disorders. it is not cost effective. with ASA or plavix, you just have the patient stop taking them 7 days in advance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I am a surgeon and there is no reason to order coags on someone not taking anticoagulants and without a family or personal history of bleeding disorders. it is not cost effective. with ASA or plavix, you just have the patient stop taking them 7 days in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: doc99</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52631</link>
		<dc:creator>doc99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 13:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the Gas Stateion this morning, paying cash resulted in a ten cents a gallon discount. In medical care, paying cash results in a mark-up. What&#039;s wrong with this picture?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the Gas Stateion this morning, paying cash resulted in a ten cents a gallon discount. In medical care, paying cash results in a mark-up. What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</p>
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		<title>By: PippaGrey</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52570</link>
		<dc:creator>PippaGrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pharmacies are as bad.  Years ago I had to fill some scripts for a flu/bronchitis episode and the Tricare computers were down so I couldn&#039;t prove that I had insurance.  The Flovent cost me $70.  Two days later I went back and they ran the stuff again, and between my co-pay and the insurance they accepted $40.  I can&#039;t believe that they were losing money on the $40, nor that they have to pay the manufacturer based on what they can sell it for.  So folks without a prescription plan get hit 75% more?  

I&#039;d like to see a system where pharmacies charge X for drug Y to everyone, the only question being how much of that comes from the patient and how much (if any) from their insurance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pharmacies are as bad.  Years ago I had to fill some scripts for a flu/bronchitis episode and the Tricare computers were down so I couldn&#8217;t prove that I had insurance.  The Flovent cost me $70.  Two days later I went back and they ran the stuff again, and between my co-pay and the insurance they accepted $40.  I can&#8217;t believe that they were losing money on the $40, nor that they have to pay the manufacturer based on what they can sell it for.  So folks without a prescription plan get hit 75% more?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a system where pharmacies charge X for drug Y to everyone, the only question being how much of that comes from the patient and how much (if any) from their insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 13:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For patients without insurance, most hospital billing offices are willing to negotiate to the &quot;insurance&quot; discount rate just so they get paid at all. The trick is, the patient has to know to ask for that rate. They don&#039;t offer it up front without prompt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For patients without insurance, most hospital billing offices are willing to negotiate to the &#8220;insurance&#8221; discount rate just so they get paid at all. The trick is, the patient has to know to ask for that rate. They don&#8217;t offer it up front without prompt.</p>
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		<title>By: JustADoc</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52543</link>
		<dc:creator>JustADoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 09:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a surgeon, but I think it might be nice to know that my patient that I am about to cut on doesn&#039;t have undiagnosed Von Willebrand&#039;s(or other less common clotting errors) before I begin major surgery on him. It is a fairly common but often unknown diagnosis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a surgeon, but I think it might be nice to know that my patient that I am about to cut on doesn&#8217;t have undiagnosed Von Willebrand&#8217;s(or other less common clotting errors) before I begin major surgery on him. It is a fairly common but often unknown diagnosis.</p>
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		<title>By: newsouthzach</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2011/05/free-market-medicine-and-lab-tests/#comment-52539</link>
		<dc:creator>newsouthzach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 06:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem of course is that the insurance companies negotiate some large discount off the &quot;standard&quot; rate -- so the standard rate has to be astronomical!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem of course is that the insurance companies negotiate some large discount off the &#8220;standard&#8221; rate &#8212; so the standard rate has to be astronomical!</p>
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