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	<title>Comments on: Crazy Rabid Squirrels &#8212; Part Deux</title>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-90443</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bats are not rodents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bats are not rodents.</p>
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		<title>By: SeaSpray</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-90140</link>
		<dc:creator>SeaSpray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 03:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was working in ED Patient Access, we had more people than one might think come in from a bat bite or even potential rabies exposure from a bat.

The most unusual order for the rabies series from the ED doc (well - I thought it was unusual)was because a woman opened her patio umbrella and a bat flew out and away from her without ever making contact.  The ED doc said there was a chance she could&#039;ve been exposed via airborne contamination.  Something about aerosol spraying of saliva from bat.

I had the rabies series based on two puncture wounds I had even though I never saw the bat.  Took me to the last day to do it and I did it because the punctures looked like what I saw on some patients and after reading about the hideous death from rabies ..I didn&#039;t want to chance it. I honestly don&#039;t know if I did the right thing, but we do have bats flying around the pond and over the pool and yard at night. And last I knew rabies was in the area.  At that point in time they had been tracking it from the south coming up north.

This is a gruesome thought ...but, for some reason ...cracked me up. Yeah ...like you don&#039;t have enough to do and so now you and ED staff have to add decapitation of squirrels to your job descriptions.  Might be questionable on a resume though. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was working in ED Patient Access, we had more people than one might think come in from a bat bite or even potential rabies exposure from a bat.</p>
<p>The most unusual order for the rabies series from the ED doc (well &#8211; I thought it was unusual)was because a woman opened her patio umbrella and a bat flew out and away from her without ever making contact.  The ED doc said there was a chance she could&#8217;ve been exposed via airborne contamination.  Something about aerosol spraying of saliva from bat.</p>
<p>I had the rabies series based on two puncture wounds I had even though I never saw the bat.  Took me to the last day to do it and I did it because the punctures looked like what I saw on some patients and after reading about the hideous death from rabies ..I didn&#8217;t want to chance it. I honestly don&#8217;t know if I did the right thing, but we do have bats flying around the pond and over the pool and yard at night. And last I knew rabies was in the area.  At that point in time they had been tracking it from the south coming up north.</p>
<p>This is a gruesome thought &#8230;but, for some reason &#8230;cracked me up. Yeah &#8230;like you don&#8217;t have enough to do and so now you and ED staff have to add decapitation of squirrels to your job descriptions.  Might be questionable on a resume though. <img src='http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89857</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 20:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except bats, I guess. A bat was the vector for the girl who survived in 2004. 

Anyway, I can understand people being freaked out about rabies, because it&#039;s not only very deadly, but it had excellent PR for decades thanks to &quot;Old Yeller&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except bats, I guess. A bat was the vector for the girl who survived in 2004. </p>
<p>Anyway, I can understand people being freaked out about rabies, because it&#8217;s not only very deadly, but it had excellent PR for decades thanks to &#8220;Old Yeller&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DataGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89782</link>
		<dc:creator>DataGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL Great story - good laugh to start my morning!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Great story &#8211; good laugh to start my morning!</p>
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		<title>By: ThorMD</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89764</link>
		<dc:creator>ThorMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 05:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can never understand people&#039;s irrational fear of getting rabies from a rodent (squirrel).  But then again these are the same people who demand to take antibiotics for viral infections like bronchitis and sinusitis.  And these are the same people having unprotected sex - and they&#039;re more likely to get HPV, HIV, Hepatitis than they are of getting rabies from a rodent.....

As an aside, my cat used to love to bring half-dead rodents into the house (squirrels, mice, chipmunks).  I&#039;ve had more than one bite while trying to get shoo these animals out of the house - and I never even considered getting rabies shots.  Because rodents don&#039;t transmit rabies to humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can never understand people&#8217;s irrational fear of getting rabies from a rodent (squirrel).  But then again these are the same people who demand to take antibiotics for viral infections like bronchitis and sinusitis.  And these are the same people having unprotected sex &#8211; and they&#8217;re more likely to get HPV, HIV, Hepatitis than they are of getting rabies from a rodent&#8230;..</p>
<p>As an aside, my cat used to love to bring half-dead rodents into the house (squirrels, mice, chipmunks).  I&#8217;ve had more than one bite while trying to get shoo these animals out of the house &#8211; and I never even considered getting rabies shots.  Because rodents don&#8217;t transmit rabies to humans.</p>
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		<title>By: whitecap nurse</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89755</link>
		<dc:creator>whitecap nurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oy!  We had a squirrel-bit patient too.  I started by saying squirrels don&#039;t carry rabies and finished by getting an order for rabies shots anyway &quot;just in case.&quot;  I feel ya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy!  We had a squirrel-bit patient too.  I started by saying squirrels don&#8217;t carry rabies and finished by getting an order for rabies shots anyway &#8220;just in case.&#8221;  I feel ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89753</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 02:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also the attack is suspicious.  Trying to feed or pet a squirrel and you get bit does not constitute strange behavior.  Hunt that expert down and give him a stern talking to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also the attack is suspicious.  Trying to feed or pet a squirrel and you get bit does not constitute strange behavior.  Hunt that expert down and give him a stern talking to.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89752</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 02:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dogs, cats, and ferrets	
Healthy and available for 10 days observatio

the only animals you can observe cause we know the disease progression in these 3 only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogs, cats, and ferrets<br />
Healthy and available for 10 days observatio</p>
<p>the only animals you can observe cause we know the disease progression in these 3 only.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarl</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/05/crazy-rabid-squirrels-part-deux/#comment-89737</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In many ways, this case illustrates the difference between &quot;good social policy&quot; and &quot;expected care&quot;.

It&#039;s unlikely the child gets rabies from a squirrel. Note, *UNLIKELY*, not impossible. Last I searched, there were documented cases in Europe of people getting rabies from rodents, even if we don&#039;t have any documented here. Some of that may be from fewer rodents infected on our continent.

From WhiteCoat&#039;s perspective, it&#039;s unlikely enough to ignore. Look for Horses not Zebras. From a general policy perspective, it&#039;s probably not a good use of resources to treat every squirrel-bite patient for rabies, he may never see an actual rabies case in his entire career.

On the other hand, I don&#039;t want my memorial to be &quot;First US case of rabies transmitted by rodent&quot;. It&#039;s a potential exposure to a disease which by the time you find out you did get it, your lifetime is measured in days or weeks - and it&#039;s a pretty miserable way to go. So from an individual perspective, it makes sense to endure pain and expense to preclude it.

If it&#039;s the patient paying for it, there is no reason to object to an expense that makes little sense from a societal point of view (and unlike antibiotics, overuse of rabies vaccine does not create uber-rabies). But these days when everyone expects someone else to pick up the tab for their medical expenses, we have to face decisions made for the benefit of the society rather than the individual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, this case illustrates the difference between &#8220;good social policy&#8221; and &#8220;expected care&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unlikely the child gets rabies from a squirrel. Note, *UNLIKELY*, not impossible. Last I searched, there were documented cases in Europe of people getting rabies from rodents, even if we don&#8217;t have any documented here. Some of that may be from fewer rodents infected on our continent.</p>
<p>From WhiteCoat&#8217;s perspective, it&#8217;s unlikely enough to ignore. Look for Horses not Zebras. From a general policy perspective, it&#8217;s probably not a good use of resources to treat every squirrel-bite patient for rabies, he may never see an actual rabies case in his entire career.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t want my memorial to be &#8220;First US case of rabies transmitted by rodent&#8221;. It&#8217;s a potential exposure to a disease which by the time you find out you did get it, your lifetime is measured in days or weeks &#8211; and it&#8217;s a pretty miserable way to go. So from an individual perspective, it makes sense to endure pain and expense to preclude it.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s the patient paying for it, there is no reason to object to an expense that makes little sense from a societal point of view (and unlike antibiotics, overuse of rabies vaccine does not create uber-rabies). But these days when everyone expects someone else to pick up the tab for their medical expenses, we have to face decisions made for the benefit of the society rather than the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 20:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He said a documented case has not occurred in the &quot;county&quot; in 20 years, not &quot;country.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He said a documented case has not occurred in the &#8220;county&#8221; in 20 years, not &#8220;country.&#8221;</p>
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