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	<title>Comments on: The Importance of Emergency Medical Services</title>
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		<title>By: GrumpyRN</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95627</link>
		<dc:creator>GrumpyRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Raf, you have said it for me.
 
Whitecoat, my initial concern was that you were mistaking Rose Johnson as someone with no ED experience/knowledge whereas she is in fact extremely qualified to put forward these recommendations.
In my area we already work with a system as recommended, what we lose in the 10-15 minutes extra travel time (maximum) we make up for in centralisation of experience, knowledge and facilities.

Newspapers in this country, and I&#039;m sure in yours, love sensationalising everything. A downgrade becomes a &#039;closure&#039; which then gives the papers something to write about and makes them look like champions of the people. A few years ago we closed an old 18th century hospital in my area which was frankly dangerous, but according to the papers we were going to cause all sorts of harm. it wasn&#039;t until the senior doctors wrote and told the people the truth that the papers stopped.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Raf, you have said it for me.</p>
<p>Whitecoat, my initial concern was that you were mistaking Rose Johnson as someone with no ED experience/knowledge whereas she is in fact extremely qualified to put forward these recommendations.<br />
In my area we already work with a system as recommended, what we lose in the 10-15 minutes extra travel time (maximum) we make up for in centralisation of experience, knowledge and facilities.</p>
<p>Newspapers in this country, and I&#8217;m sure in yours, love sensationalising everything. A downgrade becomes a &#8216;closure&#8217; which then gives the papers something to write about and makes them look like champions of the people. A few years ago we closed an old 18th century hospital in my area which was frankly dangerous, but according to the papers we were going to cause all sorts of harm. it wasn&#8217;t until the senior doctors wrote and told the people the truth that the papers stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95543</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even a blind squirrel. . . .(Now we can just argue over which one is the squirrel)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even a blind squirrel. . . .(Now we can just argue over which one is the squirrel)</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95542</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, who are you and what have you done with Matt?
I&#039;ve agreed with you like twice in the past month. Maybe even three times. What&#039;s happening to me? 
I miss our arguments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, who are you and what have you done with Matt?<br />
I&#8217;ve agreed with you like twice in the past month. Maybe even three times. What&#8217;s happening to me?<br />
I miss our arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95538</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Assuming that all Redditch patients would instead have to go to Worcester is something of a mistake as the nearest A&amp;E departments to each city are be in the neighbouring county - our counties are small and densely populated. Redditch is very near to the massive Birmingham conurbation, Solihull in particular, about 10 miles closer than it is to Worcester. It&#039;s Redditch that they want to downgrade; so you&#039;re taking a hit of arguably 15 minutes extra travel at worst, in return for a bigger and better equipped A&amp;E department at Worcester with more experienced staff who have more resources to hand. Paramedics are already able to give TPA at scene/on the run to a stroking patient who may not for whatever reason reach the hospital quickly enough, and acute MIs who need to go straight to a cath lab are already diverted to wherever the nearest one is, because 5 or 10 or 20 minutes extra on the road in return for going directly up to angio is saving lives.

Trauma: the air ambulance service (helicopters in England, Scotland also have planes for some of the most remote islands) for very urgent transport of major trauma cases and select other extremely time-critical patients cuts the travel time to pretty much any hospital in the entire COUNTRY down to a matter of 20-30 minutes. Such patients will be taken directly to the nearest trauma centre/burns unit etc as appropriate, and they&#039;ll generally get there very quickly indeed. 

I genuinely doubt that downgrading Redditch A&amp;E to a minor injuries unit will have any catastrophic effect on people getting the care they need in good time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming that all Redditch patients would instead have to go to Worcester is something of a mistake as the nearest A&amp;E departments to each city are be in the neighbouring county &#8211; our counties are small and densely populated. Redditch is very near to the massive Birmingham conurbation, Solihull in particular, about 10 miles closer than it is to Worcester. It&#8217;s Redditch that they want to downgrade; so you&#8217;re taking a hit of arguably 15 minutes extra travel at worst, in return for a bigger and better equipped A&amp;E department at Worcester with more experienced staff who have more resources to hand. Paramedics are already able to give TPA at scene/on the run to a stroking patient who may not for whatever reason reach the hospital quickly enough, and acute MIs who need to go straight to a cath lab are already diverted to wherever the nearest one is, because 5 or 10 or 20 minutes extra on the road in return for going directly up to angio is saving lives.</p>
<p>Trauma: the air ambulance service (helicopters in England, Scotland also have planes for some of the most remote islands) for very urgent transport of major trauma cases and select other extremely time-critical patients cuts the travel time to pretty much any hospital in the entire COUNTRY down to a matter of 20-30 minutes. Such patients will be taken directly to the nearest trauma centre/burns unit etc as appropriate, and they&#8217;ll generally get there very quickly indeed. </p>
<p>I genuinely doubt that downgrading Redditch A&amp;E to a minor injuries unit will have any catastrophic effect on people getting the care they need in good time.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95525</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just consider that when a mass casualty event occurs in the future … whether it is a natural disaster, a fire, large motor vehicle accident, a shooting, or an act of war … do we really want to make emergency medical care harder to access?&quot;

Evidently we do.  Sounds like the voters and taxpayers have spoken.  If they don&#039;t like the current state of affairs, there&#039;s always another election around the corner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just consider that when a mass casualty event occurs in the future … whether it is a natural disaster, a fire, large motor vehicle accident, a shooting, or an act of war … do we really want to make emergency medical care harder to access?&#8221;</p>
<p>Evidently we do.  Sounds like the voters and taxpayers have spoken.  If they don&#8217;t like the current state of affairs, there&#8217;s always another election around the corner.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95523</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the systems work differently. 
I also agree that trying to say that one system is better than the other is like saying that an apple tastes better than an orange. Can&#039;t compare the two.

The intent of this post wasn&#039;t to compare the two systems. Then intent of the posts was to make people think about some of the potential undesirable consequences of cutting emergency medical services.

The article I cited stated that they were considering &quot;getting rid of one of the county’s two accident and emergency departments – in Worcester and Redditch&quot;. Those two cities are 20 miles apart according to MapQuest. Someone having a heart attack that has to drive an additional 20 miles or more just to get care is not a 3-5 minute difference in trip timing. More like 35 minutes difference in timing according to MapQuest - under ideal traffic conditions and assuming that there are rigs available. 

Whether or not the systems are different, there are many conditions that are time-critical for treatment. Consider strokes, MIs, and major trauma just to name a few. I obviously don&#039;t know the topography, traffic, and landmarks in England, but there are aspects of medicine which are universal. The &quot;golden hour&quot; doesn&#039;t change with a patient&#039;s country, health system, or EMS system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the systems work differently.<br />
I also agree that trying to say that one system is better than the other is like saying that an apple tastes better than an orange. Can&#8217;t compare the two.</p>
<p>The intent of this post wasn&#8217;t to compare the two systems. Then intent of the posts was to make people think about some of the potential undesirable consequences of cutting emergency medical services.</p>
<p>The article I cited stated that they were considering &#8220;getting rid of one of the county’s two accident and emergency departments – in Worcester and Redditch&#8221;. Those two cities are 20 miles apart according to MapQuest. Someone having a heart attack that has to drive an additional 20 miles or more just to get care is not a 3-5 minute difference in trip timing. More like 35 minutes difference in timing according to MapQuest &#8211; under ideal traffic conditions and assuming that there are rigs available. </p>
<p>Whether or not the systems are different, there are many conditions that are time-critical for treatment. Consider strokes, MIs, and major trauma just to name a few. I obviously don&#8217;t know the topography, traffic, and landmarks in England, but there are aspects of medicine which are universal. The &#8220;golden hour&#8221; doesn&#8217;t change with a patient&#8217;s country, health system, or EMS system.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95495</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What was the status of mutal aid agreement between Aurora and the surrounding community EMS systems?  Once the scope of this incident became apparent why wasn&#039;t a general alert broadcast to the surrounding EMS resources to respond?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the status of mutal aid agreement between Aurora and the surrounding community EMS systems?  Once the scope of this incident became apparent why wasn&#8217;t a general alert broadcast to the surrounding EMS resources to respond?</p>
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		<title>By: Starjack</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95407</link>
		<dc:creator>Starjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part of the reason I want to go into EMS is because if something like the Aurora shootings happens in my hometown, I want to be there to do my part.

Emergency care, both EMS and ER&#039;s - I mean ED&#039;s - need to be kept accessible to everyone.  Not just people who can afford it, or people who live nearby; everyone.  I know this creates problems with drug seekers and malingerers, but the alternative is a world where people with true emergencies can&#039;t get good care.  Imagine getting into a car crash and having the EMT&#039;s check peoples&#039; insurance cards before treating them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason I want to go into EMS is because if something like the Aurora shootings happens in my hometown, I want to be there to do my part.</p>
<p>Emergency care, both EMS and ER&#8217;s &#8211; I mean ED&#8217;s &#8211; need to be kept accessible to everyone.  Not just people who can afford it, or people who live nearby; everyone.  I know this creates problems with drug seekers and malingerers, but the alternative is a world where people with true emergencies can&#8217;t get good care.  Imagine getting into a car crash and having the EMT&#8217;s check peoples&#8217; insurance cards before treating them.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95322</link>
		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It also needs to be noted that we still have a (just about) unified health system - you call for an ambulance, the dispatch desk controls every single emergency ambulance in the area and can talk directly to the guys for neighbouring areas.

We&#039;re also much, much more densely populated than most of the US. When A&amp;E departments are downsized or closed, journey times are typically increased by 3-5 minutes for patients who&#039;d otherwise have been taken to that hospital.

No comparison really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also needs to be noted that we still have a (just about) unified health system &#8211; you call for an ambulance, the dispatch desk controls every single emergency ambulance in the area and can talk directly to the guys for neighbouring areas.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re also much, much more densely populated than most of the US. When A&amp;E departments are downsized or closed, journey times are typically increased by 3-5 minutes for patients who&#8217;d otherwise have been taken to that hospital.</p>
<p>No comparison really.</p>
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		<title>By: RSDS</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/07/the-importance-of-emergency-medical-services/#comment-95259</link>
		<dc:creator>RSDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in the 1970s, there used to be a Navy Intelligence School located on Lowery Air Force Base. Lowery was situated between Denver and Aurora. Go out the Quebec Street gate, and you were in Denver; but go out the Sixth Avenue gate, and you were in Aurora.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the 1970s, there used to be a Navy Intelligence School located on Lowery Air Force Base. Lowery was situated between Denver and Aurora. Go out the Quebec Street gate, and you were in Denver; but go out the Sixth Avenue gate, and you were in Aurora.</p>
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