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		<title>By: CJL</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115412</link>
		<dc:creator>CJL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the benefit of Tamiflu is that it decreases the length of symptoms by half a day, then why would you ever test someone who was asymptomatic? They have no symptoms to get rid of, so who cares if they have the flu? You shouldn&#039;t be doing anything for them anyway.

I fully understand why you did what you did in this scenario. I saw the exact same patient a few months ago, except swap out &quot;flu&quot; for &quot;strep.&quot; Screw the CENTOR criteria, mom saw a &quot;pus pocket&quot; on her tonsils. Lucky for me, the rapid Strep test was negative, and I got to leave it at that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the benefit of Tamiflu is that it decreases the length of symptoms by half a day, then why would you ever test someone who was asymptomatic? They have no symptoms to get rid of, so who cares if they have the flu? You shouldn&#8217;t be doing anything for them anyway.</p>
<p>I fully understand why you did what you did in this scenario. I saw the exact same patient a few months ago, except swap out &#8220;flu&#8221; for &#8220;strep.&#8221; Screw the CENTOR criteria, mom saw a &#8220;pus pocket&#8221; on her tonsils. Lucky for me, the rapid Strep test was negative, and I got to leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115379</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would a positive influenza test have affected the treatment regimen at this time? Fluids, rest, NSAIDs.

Who gets to judge when something is “clinically indicated”?  You, the doctor. Not I (your faithful but long-suffering ER nurse) and not the patient.

I think instant gratification is the most American of human desires.

I like the idea of selling influenza tests over-the-counter, but I&#039;m sure you know that accessibility won&#039;t keep people from presenting at the ER and demanding for &quot;free&quot; what they can buy at the dollar store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would a positive influenza test have affected the treatment regimen at this time? Fluids, rest, NSAIDs.</p>
<p>Who gets to judge when something is “clinically indicated”?  You, the doctor. Not I (your faithful but long-suffering ER nurse) and not the patient.</p>
<p>I think instant gratification is the most American of human desires.</p>
<p>I like the idea of selling influenza tests over-the-counter, but I&#8217;m sure you know that accessibility won&#8217;t keep people from presenting at the ER and demanding for &#8220;free&#8221; what they can buy at the dollar store.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115361</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No afebrile patient should ever have influenza testing done? Even though 30-50% of the cases are asymptomatic? Think you&#039;re over reaching a little here. 

Who gets to judge when something is &quot;clinically indicated&quot;? You? Popular vote? Some old curmudgeon at the FDA who hasn&#039;t practiced medicine since the Civil War?
24% of people responding to the poll stated that they believed the care was not unnecessary in this case. Do we just disregard the opinions that we don&#039;t like? 

I&#039;m not disagreeing with you that I wouldn&#039;t have wanted testing or treatment for my own kids in this situation. My point is that once we start down this slippery slope, it will be difficult to keep from sliding further down. 

Telling people that they can&#039;t have things they want is OK when it applies to other people, but not so nice when it applies to you.

Simple solution is to deregulate and make the testing and medications over the counter. If people want to do 20 flu tests on themselves, they should be able to do so ... at their expense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No afebrile patient should ever have influenza testing done? Even though 30-50% of the cases are asymptomatic? Think you&#8217;re over reaching a little here. </p>
<p>Who gets to judge when something is &#8220;clinically indicated&#8221;? You? Popular vote? Some old curmudgeon at the FDA who hasn&#8217;t practiced medicine since the Civil War?<br />
24% of people responding to the poll stated that they believed the care was not unnecessary in this case. Do we just disregard the opinions that we don&#8217;t like? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing with you that I wouldn&#8217;t have wanted testing or treatment for my own kids in this situation. My point is that once we start down this slippery slope, it will be difficult to keep from sliding further down. </p>
<p>Telling people that they can&#8217;t have things they want is OK when it applies to other people, but not so nice when it applies to you.</p>
<p>Simple solution is to deregulate and make the testing and medications over the counter. If people want to do 20 flu tests on themselves, they should be able to do so &#8230; at their expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115358</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An unnecessary test is one that is not clinically indicated, such as an influenza test for an afebrile patient. Especially when the results of the test, since the patient is 2 days out from onset of symptoms, will not change the course of treatment. Why not X-ray her feet, too? Regarding what constitutes an unnecessary drug:  Then cast her feet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An unnecessary test is one that is not clinically indicated, such as an influenza test for an afebrile patient. Especially when the results of the test, since the patient is 2 days out from onset of symptoms, will not change the course of treatment. Why not X-ray her feet, too? Regarding what constitutes an unnecessary drug:  Then cast her feet.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115356</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the chuckle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the chuckle.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115355</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well stated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115354</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No disrespect is taken. You make a valid point. See addendum to article above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disrespect is taken. You make a valid point. See addendum to article above.</p>
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		<title>By: WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115353</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a nice news byte. Now give me a good way to determine what constitutes an &quot;unnecessary test&quot; and what is an &quot;unnecessary drug&quot; and I&#039;ll figure out some solutions to keep it from happening again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice news byte. Now give me a good way to determine what constitutes an &#8220;unnecessary test&#8221; and what is an &#8220;unnecessary drug&#8221; and I&#8217;ll figure out some solutions to keep it from happening again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115244</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The disincentive for ordering an unnecessary test and prescribing an unnecessary drug is that it is the wrong thing to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disincentive for ordering an unnecessary test and prescribing an unnecessary drug is that it is the wrong thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: GruntDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/01/unnecessary-care/#comment-115179</link>
		<dc:creator>GruntDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a busy ED weakens your willingness to have &quot;at length&quot; discussions with the &quot;deserving/demanding &quot;...order the damn test...go see more pts...report the good news... discuss meds, if any needed... go see more pts...write the script...go see more pts...never discuss test probability prior to testing (on the BS stuff)... not mentioning high false neg rates would have saved oxygen and a pain in the ass!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a busy ED weakens your willingness to have &#8220;at length&#8221; discussions with the &#8220;deserving/demanding &#8220;&#8230;order the damn test&#8230;go see more pts&#8230;report the good news&#8230; discuss meds, if any needed&#8230; go see more pts&#8230;write the script&#8230;go see more pts&#8230;never discuss test probability prior to testing (on the BS stuff)&#8230; not mentioning high false neg rates would have saved oxygen and a pain in the ass!</p>
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