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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/02/healthcare-update-02-04-2013/#comment-119875</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SeaSpray,

Repubs wouldn&#039;t have done anything to change it.  You ever seen any big market based reforms from them?  They&#039;re all criticism, no solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeaSpray,</p>
<p>Repubs wouldn&#8217;t have done anything to change it.  You ever seen any big market based reforms from them?  They&#8217;re all criticism, no solution.</p>
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		<title>By: DefendUSA</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/02/healthcare-update-02-04-2013/#comment-119708</link>
		<dc:creator>DefendUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SeaSpray...Boom! There it is. They don&#039;t care because they&#039;ve gotten and are getting theirs. I heard a man say the other day that he didn&#039;t have to worry about shit, because he wouldn&#039;t be around when the dues came due...and that is the mantra for all of the politicians who have been elected and evade fiduciary responsibility.

But on that note, no matter how the media paints it, you and I have the capacity to fight on for what still makes us the most sought after place to live...because we can still create and produce no matter who tries to tamp it down. When the effects of O&#039;care begin to be tangible, it is going to be overturned. We still have a chance at that. The thing we&#039;re missing is the leadership to make the hard choices. Among you and I, and many here, don&#039;t fall prey to it being &quot;over&quot;! THAT is what the left wants in all of their willfully obtuse ways, thinking it will never affect them and pretending the greatness. Just like anything...making a promise and not fulfilling it will come back in spades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeaSpray&#8230;Boom! There it is. They don&#8217;t care because they&#8217;ve gotten and are getting theirs. I heard a man say the other day that he didn&#8217;t have to worry about shit, because he wouldn&#8217;t be around when the dues came due&#8230;and that is the mantra for all of the politicians who have been elected and evade fiduciary responsibility.</p>
<p>But on that note, no matter how the media paints it, you and I have the capacity to fight on for what still makes us the most sought after place to live&#8230;because we can still create and produce no matter who tries to tamp it down. When the effects of O&#8217;care begin to be tangible, it is going to be overturned. We still have a chance at that. The thing we&#8217;re missing is the leadership to make the hard choices. Among you and I, and many here, don&#8217;t fall prey to it being &#8220;over&#8221;! THAT is what the left wants in all of their willfully obtuse ways, thinking it will never affect them and pretending the greatness. Just like anything&#8230;making a promise and not fulfilling it will come back in spades.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt,

The 2.3% is a problem based on what the manufacturers are telling us.  We were going to expand our examination facilities in our office.  In 2006 the cost for the equiptment for the exam room was $8,500.  This week we were quoted a price of 12K, as a &quot;preferred price&quot; from the same company with the same devices.  We were told the ACA tax (2.3%) was part of it, there is also another new 2% tax which I had never heard of, and also much of the stuff comes from Switzerland and the dollar is much weaker than in 2006.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>The 2.3% is a problem based on what the manufacturers are telling us.  We were going to expand our examination facilities in our office.  In 2006 the cost for the equiptment for the exam room was $8,500.  This week we were quoted a price of 12K, as a &#8220;preferred price&#8221; from the same company with the same devices.  We were told the ACA tax (2.3%) was part of it, there is also another new 2% tax which I had never heard of, and also much of the stuff comes from Switzerland and the dollar is much weaker than in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: SeaSpray</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/02/healthcare-update-02-04-2013/#comment-119617</link>
		<dc:creator>SeaSpray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for answering Matt.  Even more depressing.  And again ...I ask W--H-Y-Y-Y?

I also recall that hospitals and ins providers were on board with some part of it as they got some kind of short term benefit. ?  if I am recalling correctly ..then deal with the devil.

There are some good things about the bill. But the overall government reach/strangulation of our freedom of choice is both alarming and abysmal.

But the people that voted ..again ..seeing everything going on ..how could they?  And if the same republicans that stayed home because they couldn&#039;t accept Romney ...are they happy with the outcome now?  because he would&#039;ve won had they voted. And the kicker is for everyone anti Romney he was a moderate.  And if for the love of God ...why if the progressive voting public don&#039;t like rich people then why do they and the press support extremely wealthy Kerry - wealthier than Romney, also pelosi gore, Obamas , etc?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answering Matt.  Even more depressing.  And again &#8230;I ask W&#8211;H-Y-Y-Y?</p>
<p>I also recall that hospitals and ins providers were on board with some part of it as they got some kind of short term benefit. ?  if I am recalling correctly ..then deal with the devil.</p>
<p>There are some good things about the bill. But the overall government reach/strangulation of our freedom of choice is both alarming and abysmal.</p>
<p>But the people that voted ..again ..seeing everything going on ..how could they?  And if the same republicans that stayed home because they couldn&#8217;t accept Romney &#8230;are they happy with the outcome now?  because he would&#8217;ve won had they voted. And the kicker is for everyone anti Romney he was a moderate.  And if for the love of God &#8230;why if the progressive voting public don&#8217;t like rich people then why do they and the press support extremely wealthy Kerry &#8211; wealthier than Romney, also pelosi gore, Obamas , etc?</p>
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		<title>By: ThorMD</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2013/02/healthcare-update-02-04-2013/#comment-119529</link>
		<dc:creator>ThorMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe this, but I agree with Matt.  I don&#039;t think any CEO would be dumb enough to say &quot;I am laying people off because I&#039;m a bad businessman and made bad decisions&quot;.  And I can&#039;t believe that they can&#039;t trim their budgets by 2.3% in other areas to offset the money paid toward the new tax in order to save 100 jobs.  

They are trying to get publicity by making these types of statements.  It&#039;s working.  I&#039;m guessing that the CEO&#039;s are active in local/state/national politics (perhaps the Repub party) and they&#039;re trying to rally support and publicity for the candidate the next election cycle.  

I happen to be married to a CEO.  They are masters of PR, spin, and getting their message out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe this, but I agree with Matt.  I don&#8217;t think any CEO would be dumb enough to say &#8220;I am laying people off because I&#8217;m a bad businessman and made bad decisions&#8221;.  And I can&#8217;t believe that they can&#8217;t trim their budgets by 2.3% in other areas to offset the money paid toward the new tax in order to save 100 jobs.  </p>
<p>They are trying to get publicity by making these types of statements.  It&#8217;s working.  I&#8217;m guessing that the CEO&#8217;s are active in local/state/national politics (perhaps the Repub party) and they&#8217;re trying to rally support and publicity for the candidate the next election cycle.  </p>
<p>I happen to be married to a CEO.  They are masters of PR, spin, and getting their message out there.</p>
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		<title>By: ThorMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThorMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know several docs who sold their practices to hospitals and the issues is a little more complicated.  First, they now have to use hospital-system employed nurses (many of whom are union).  Union often regulates their hours and now they don&#039;t have hiring/firing capability over their staff since the staff is hospital-system based.  So the doc can stay late, but the secretary, MA&#039;s and nurses can&#039;t/won&#039;t.  

All of my friends in these jobs get a barely minimum guaranteed compensation, and then the rest is RVU based.  So if they don&#039;t produce, they don&#039;t get paid a lot.  And the production metrics are ridiculous.  In private practice, if they had a complicated office visit, they would just spend the extra time.  Now, if its complicated, they turf it to the ER so they can meet their &quot;quotas&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know several docs who sold their practices to hospitals and the issues is a little more complicated.  First, they now have to use hospital-system employed nurses (many of whom are union).  Union often regulates their hours and now they don&#8217;t have hiring/firing capability over their staff since the staff is hospital-system based.  So the doc can stay late, but the secretary, MA&#8217;s and nurses can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>All of my friends in these jobs get a barely minimum guaranteed compensation, and then the rest is RVU based.  So if they don&#8217;t produce, they don&#8217;t get paid a lot.  And the production metrics are ridiculous.  In private practice, if they had a complicated office visit, they would just spend the extra time.  Now, if its complicated, they turf it to the ER so they can meet their &#8220;quotas&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just progressives.  Plenty of &quot;conservatives&quot; in healthcare were on board.  And remember, no one in healthcare was making any big move toward the free market.  When this was proposed and not even the healthcare industry would come up with a viable alternative, it was a done deal.  Even if the AMA hadn&#039;t supported it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just progressives.  Plenty of &#8220;conservatives&#8221; in healthcare were on board.  And remember, no one in healthcare was making any big move toward the free market.  When this was proposed and not even the healthcare industry would come up with a viable alternative, it was a done deal.  Even if the AMA hadn&#8217;t supported it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, with regard to CEOs making up stories, possibly.  They&#039;re advocating for something, and even when companies are badly mismanaged, you never see the CEO say &quot;well, you see, I just messed up there.  Made the totally wrong decision.&quot;  

And with regard to medical device companies, the 2.3% tax isn&#039;t what&#039;s doing it, it&#039;s &quot;regulatory uncertainty&quot;.  This is the thing though, when the vast majority of your profits come from the government, then you&#039;re always subject to regulatory uncertainty.  You&#039;ll note your link also says hospitals are cutting back on their purchasing.  In other words, medical device customers aren&#039;t buying as much.  But here&#039;s a blurb on some earnings roundups for some medical device companies, and what they&#039;re telling their stockholders isn&#039;t near the doom and gloom you&#039;re reporting:

http://www.massdevice.com/business-types/businessfinancial-news/earnings-rounduphttp://www.massdevice.com/business-types/businessfinancial-news/earnings-roundup

I despise the ACA as much as anyone, but you should always have a little skepticism when companies&#039; layoffs are blamed on one sole thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, with regard to CEOs making up stories, possibly.  They&#8217;re advocating for something, and even when companies are badly mismanaged, you never see the CEO say &#8220;well, you see, I just messed up there.  Made the totally wrong decision.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And with regard to medical device companies, the 2.3% tax isn&#8217;t what&#8217;s doing it, it&#8217;s &#8220;regulatory uncertainty&#8221;.  This is the thing though, when the vast majority of your profits come from the government, then you&#8217;re always subject to regulatory uncertainty.  You&#8217;ll note your link also says hospitals are cutting back on their purchasing.  In other words, medical device customers aren&#8217;t buying as much.  But here&#8217;s a blurb on some earnings roundups for some medical device companies, and what they&#8217;re telling their stockholders isn&#8217;t near the doom and gloom you&#8217;re reporting:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.massdevice.com/business-types/businessfinancial-news/earnings-rounduphttp://www.massdevice.com/business-types/businessfinancial-news/earnings-roundup" rel="nofollow">http://www.massdevice.com/business-types/businessfinancial-news/earnings-rounduphttp://www.massdevice.com/business-types/businessfinancial-news/earnings-roundup</a></p>
<p>I despise the ACA as much as anyone, but you should always have a little skepticism when companies&#8217; layoffs are blamed on one sole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was referring to the AMA President&#039;s comment.  I&#039;ve heard many physicians, including you, talk about how tort reform was the key to access.  Evidently that was only the key to access when you were saying/typing it.

Just having a little fun with you - we both know tort &quot;reform&quot; is just insurer lobbying BS.  Actual benefits to anyone but them are illusory at worst and short lived at best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to the AMA President&#8217;s comment.  I&#8217;ve heard many physicians, including you, talk about how tort reform was the key to access.  Evidently that was only the key to access when you were saying/typing it.</p>
<p>Just having a little fun with you &#8211; we both know tort &#8220;reform&#8221; is just insurer lobbying BS.  Actual benefits to anyone but them are illusory at worst and short lived at best.</p>
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		<title>By: GrumpyRN</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrumpyRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Docs in NHS are paid a salary, you can find out more here,  http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/

All docs are paid the same depending on their grade. So ED consultant will earn in the same range as Neurosurgeon or Plastic Surgeon or Dermatologist etc. Remember only the family doctors (or occasional private doctor) have their own offices. A hospital doctor does not have a practice he has NHS patients referred to him by the GP&#039;s or the occasional private patient again (usually) referred through GP&#039;s.

Also remember, doctors who are senior now did not have educational loans to pay. This is only on the juniors who are coming through now and is nowhere near the burden that US doctors have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Docs in NHS are paid a salary, you can find out more here,  <a href="http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/</a></p>
<p>All docs are paid the same depending on their grade. So ED consultant will earn in the same range as Neurosurgeon or Plastic Surgeon or Dermatologist etc. Remember only the family doctors (or occasional private doctor) have their own offices. A hospital doctor does not have a practice he has NHS patients referred to him by the GP&#8217;s or the occasional private patient again (usually) referred through GP&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Also remember, doctors who are senior now did not have educational loans to pay. This is only on the juniors who are coming through now and is nowhere near the burden that US doctors have.</p>
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