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		<title>Comment on Healthcare Update &#8212; 02-06-2012 by Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/healthcare-update-02-06-2012/#comment-81197</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something lawyers and physicians can agree on:

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/02/01/the-daily-writing-sample-why-judges-dread-medicare-cases/

&quot;There can be no doubt but that the statutes and provisions in question, involving the financing of Medicare and Medicaid, are among the most completely impenetrable texts within human experience. Indeed, one approaches them at the level of specificity herein demanded with dread, for not only are they dense reading of the most tortuous kind, but Congress also revisits the area frequently, generously cutting and pruning in the process and making any solid grasp of the matters addressed merely a passing phase.&quot;

(that&#039;s a pretty laborious sentence itself)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something lawyers and physicians can agree on:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/02/01/the-daily-writing-sample-why-judges-dread-medicare-cases/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/02/01/the-daily-writing-sample-why-judges-dread-medicare-cases/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;There can be no doubt but that the statutes and provisions in question, involving the financing of Medicare and Medicaid, are among the most completely impenetrable texts within human experience. Indeed, one approaches them at the level of specificity herein demanded with dread, for not only are they dense reading of the most tortuous kind, but Congress also revisits the area frequently, generously cutting and pruning in the process and making any solid grasp of the matters addressed merely a passing phase.&#8221;</p>
<p>(that&#8217;s a pretty laborious sentence itself)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Healthcare Update &#8212; 02-06-2012 by Joe B</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/healthcare-update-02-06-2012/#comment-81196</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Either the women want the children or they don’t.&quot;

Are you sure you&#039;re a doctor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Either the women want the children or they don’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you sure you&#8217;re a doctor?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81185</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed the post I was replying to evidently.  That&#039;s what happens when you don&#039;t gather the facts, man!

Of course it&#039;s not a trial, never said it was.  Read for comprehension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed the post I was replying to evidently.  That&#8217;s what happens when you don&#8217;t gather the facts, man!</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s not a trial, never said it was.  Read for comprehension.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81183</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m just curious. 
If the facts are as alleged, does this mean that you agree she should have been fired and had action taken against her nursing license for not having been a &quot;team&quot; player?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m just curious.<br />
If the facts are as alleged, does this mean that you agree she should have been fired and had action taken against her nursing license for not having been a &#8220;team&#8221; player?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by WhiteCoat</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81182</link>
		<dc:creator>WhiteCoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jury should decide all matters abou...
The jury should decide all matters abou...
The jury should decide all matters abou...

Hey - someone want to kick the jukebox? The record seems to be skipping again. 

There wasn&#039;t a trial, counselor. The hospital reportedly took action against her and the nursing board reportedly took action against her license without due process. 

What should those &quot;stupid&quot; Arizona people do now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jury should decide all matters abou&#8230;<br />
The jury should decide all matters abou&#8230;<br />
The jury should decide all matters abou&#8230;</p>
<p>Hey &#8211; someone want to kick the jukebox? The record seems to be skipping again. </p>
<p>There wasn&#8217;t a trial, counselor. The hospital reportedly took action against her and the nursing board reportedly took action against her license without due process. </p>
<p>What should those &#8220;stupid&#8221; Arizona people do now?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by landlockedtxn</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81180</link>
		<dc:creator>landlockedtxn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get &#039;em, good!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get &#8216;em, good!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by David Wander</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81178</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome. So glad you&#039;re getting to the bottom of this disturbing case. The conflict of interest between Banner and the Nurses Association is disturbing, as is the censorship practiced by Banner on comments at their website, as is the (bogus?) psych eval, as is the attack on Trujillo by the physician blogger who was primed to jump to an &quot;Angel of Death&quot; conclusion, as is the general paternalistic attitude evinced in that post blog. 

We can&#039;t just take Trujillo&#039;s allegations at face value or accept her lawyer&#039;s account as necessarily reflective of all the facts in the case, but there are a lot of red flags here suggesting the nurse is being scapegoated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome. So glad you&#8217;re getting to the bottom of this disturbing case. The conflict of interest between Banner and the Nurses Association is disturbing, as is the censorship practiced by Banner on comments at their website, as is the (bogus?) psych eval, as is the attack on Trujillo by the physician blogger who was primed to jump to an &#8220;Angel of Death&#8221; conclusion, as is the general paternalistic attitude evinced in that post blog. </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t just take Trujillo&#8217;s allegations at face value or accept her lawyer&#8217;s account as necessarily reflective of all the facts in the case, but there are a lot of red flags here suggesting the nurse is being scapegoated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by anon</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81177</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that medicine is a team sport; in that light, Amanda Trujillo doesn&#039;t seem to like work with the rest of the surgical team to present a cohesive set of options to the patient. Seems like splitting no way you slice it. I wouldn&#039;t want her as my nurse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that medicine is a team sport; in that light, Amanda Trujillo doesn&#8217;t seem to like work with the rest of the surgical team to present a cohesive set of options to the patient. Seems like splitting no way you slice it. I wouldn&#8217;t want her as my nurse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81174</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I side with the jury, who heard all the evidence.  When they say no malpractice, who am I to second guess and when they say malpractice, again who am I to second guess them?  I realize that deferring to people who, you know, actually spend days if not weeks hearing the evidence seems crazy when you can read a 500 word article in the newspaper, but I&#039;m just that kind of crazy.

As to this, it sounds like an employment law matter, and I have little experience there.  What&#039;s more, there&#039;s probably some very specific Arizona statutes that are relevant. 

I think what&#039;s important here is that if the surgeon performed wholly unnecessary surgery on this patient, that we be sure that he and his insurer get the maximum  liability protection that well compensated insurance lobbyists can get the legislature to provide, regardless of the facts of the case!  The people of Arizona are just too damn stupid to judge his actions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I side with the jury, who heard all the evidence.  When they say no malpractice, who am I to second guess and when they say malpractice, again who am I to second guess them?  I realize that deferring to people who, you know, actually spend days if not weeks hearing the evidence seems crazy when you can read a 500 word article in the newspaper, but I&#8217;m just that kind of crazy.</p>
<p>As to this, it sounds like an employment law matter, and I have little experience there.  What&#8217;s more, there&#8217;s probably some very specific Arizona statutes that are relevant. </p>
<p>I think what&#8217;s important here is that if the surgeon performed wholly unnecessary surgery on this patient, that we be sure that he and his insurer get the maximum  liability protection that well compensated insurance lobbyists can get the legislature to provide, regardless of the facts of the case!  The people of Arizona are just too damn stupid to judge his actions!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Amanda Trujillo by Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.epmonthly.com/whitecoat/2012/02/amanda-trujillo/#comment-81171</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you.  Shine the light on these types of cases and situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you.  Shine the light on these types of cases and situations.</p>
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